The Prophet Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. We've not been out of the top seven all season. We were a Championship side two years ago. Kindly go and boil your head. Move on , we have bought well and have better players than two years ago, and a couple of years before we drop into the Championship , we were in Europe. Football changes and teams improve or fall off. Stop using that as an excuse, how many freaking years must we be out of the Championship before we can claim we can improve and be hoping for better. Unless you're Man City/Chelsea it takes a while to build a squad capable of consistently finishing in the top six. The fact we're even competing a mere year and half follwoing a promotion is a testament to how well Pardew is doing. The season hasn't ended lets see where we finish before the victory laps, i am more focus on how we are performing on the pitch. As i said in another thread is it Ridiculously to congratulate or give credit to Pardew before the end of the season. For now the credit he deserves is keeping us from being relegated and nothing more. Where do you think we'll finish? The fact we're merely competing for the top six shows what a great job he's doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 We didn't go to try and defend against them (as we did for example at Liverpool) but nor did we go to attack them. To be honest I'm not even sure what our gameplan was or if we even had one. Maybe it would have become clear if we'd managed to go longer than two minutes without conceding the first goal. I feel he definitely struggles tactically on the road. We've probably picked up more points than we usually do so maybe that's unfair but we've generally looked a bit shit and struggled to hang onto the ball even in games we've won - Blackburn and Wolves spring to mind as being exceptionally lucky. The one expection to the rule was Stoke, where we were genuinely excellent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Thankfully our season didn't hinge on getting a result from Tottenham away. There are 3 good sides in the league and we've already played 2 of them home and away getting 5 points from the 5 games so far. I can totally understand why people are fucked off but look at that league table and tell me we've had a bad season. We're surpassing all of our expectations and tonight's bumming doesn't change that. They're better than us but there are 39 points still to play for with 2 very winnable home games to come. We take it on the chin and move on, fuck it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 According to his interview on the Beeb there, "We did ourselves proud in the 2nd half", seriously ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 We didn't go to try and defend against them (as we did for example at Liverpool) but nor did we go to attack them. To be honest I'm not even sure what our gameplan was or if we even had one. Maybe it would have become clear if we'd managed to go longer than two minutes without conceding the first goal. I feel he definitely struggles tactically on the road. We've probably picked up more points than we usually do so maybe that's unfair but we've generally looked a bit s*** and struggled to hang onto the ball even in games we've won - Blackburn and Wolves spring to mind as being exceptionally lucky. The one expection to the rule was Stoke, where we were genuinely excellent. we went and done like he said "we'll let our hair down" and wullie is right to point, against the better teams away pardew is found wanting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 According to his interview on the Beeb there, "We did ourselves proud in the 2nd half", seriously ? Kept our pride and remained disciplined, apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 We went and came away without injuries or suspensions , think this was the game plan. the bigger picture. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Well, let's move on. Still a canny gay result, and against one of the biggest cocksockets in football history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. We've not been out of the top seven all season. We were a Championship side two years ago. Kindly go and boil your head. Move on , we have bought well and have better players than two years ago, and a couple of years before we drop into the Championship , we were in Europe. Football changes and teams improve or fall off. Stop using that as an excuse, how many freaking years must we be out of the Championship before we can claim we can improve and be hoping for better. Unless you're Man City/Chelsea it takes a while to build a squad capable of consistently finishing in the top six. The fact we're even competing a mere year and half follwoing a promotion is a testament to how well Pardew is doing. The season hasn't ended lets see where we finish before the victory laps, i am more focus on how we are performing on the pitch. As i said in another thread is it Ridiculously to congratulate or give credit to Pardew before the end of the season. For now the credit he deserves is keeping us from being relegated and nothing more. Where do you think we'll finish? The fact we're merely competing for the top six shows what a great job he's doing. 1/3 of the season still to go, base on the football we are playing we wont be in the top 6 imo. Sorry i rate some of the players but not how Pardew translates it on the pitch , what if we ended the season 10,9,8?? how can you give credit to someone before the competition ends? Maybe if there are 5 to 3 matches to go and we have a good tally, i will be more comfortable in assuming where we would be but before all the celebrations, No one is due credit. Challenging/competing means nothing if the end results doesnt correlate to our final standing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 According to his interview on the Beeb there, "We did ourselves proud in the 2nd half", seriously ? Prouderer than the first half! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 well at the rate of improvement , we would have won a third half 2-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. We've not been out of the top seven all season. We were a Championship side two years ago. Kindly go and boil your head. Move on , we have bought well and have better players than two years ago, and a couple of years before we drop into the Championship , we were in Europe. Football changes and teams improve or fall off. Stop using that as an excuse, how many freaking years must we be out of the Championship before we can claim we can improve and be hoping for better. Unless you're Man City/Chelsea it takes a while to build a squad capable of consistently finishing in the top six. The fact we're even competing a mere year and half follwoing a promotion is a testament to how well Pardew is doing. The season hasn't ended lets see where we finish before the victory laps, i am more focus on how we are performing on the pitch. As i said in another thread is it Ridiculously to congratulate or give credit to Pardew before the end of the season. For now the credit he deserves is keeping us from being relegated and nothing more. Where do you think we'll finish? The fact we're merely competing for the top six shows what a great job he's doing. 1/3 of the season still to go, base on the football we are playing we wont be in the top 6 imo. Sorry i rate some of the players but not how Pardew translates it on the pitch , what if we ended the season 10,9,8?? how can you give credit to someone before the competition ends? Maybe if there are 5 to 3 matches to go and we have a good tally, i will be more comfortable in assuming where we would be but before all the celebrations, No one is due credit. Challenging/competing means nothing if the end results doesnt correlate to our final standing Who's celebrating/assuming where we're going to finish like? We've had a great season thus far, Pardew deserves credit for it, if we finish badly he'll deserve criticism for it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 NUFCTV interview he looks crushed mind. The not putting HBA on in a way I understand, he knew Obertan was shit and putting Fergie on I think was more about trying to keep it tight a more defensive option. I hope to god vs Wolves he starts Benny on the left, its where he plays his best football I reckon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keefaz Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. We've not been out of the top seven all season. We were a Championship side two years ago. Kindly go and boil your head. Move on , we have bought well and have better players than two years ago, and a couple of years before we drop into the Championship , we were in Europe. Football changes and teams improve or fall off. Stop using that as an excuse, how many freaking years must we be out of the Championship before we can claim we can improve and be hoping for better. Unless you're Man City/Chelsea it takes a while to build a squad capable of consistently finishing in the top six. The fact we're even competing a mere year and half follwoing a promotion is a testament to how well Pardew is doing. The season hasn't ended lets see where we finish before the victory laps, i am more focus on how we are performing on the pitch. As i said in another thread is it Ridiculously to congratulate or give credit to Pardew before the end of the season. For now the credit he deserves is keeping us from being relegated and nothing more. Where do you think we'll finish? The fact we're merely competing for the top six shows what a great job he's doing. 1/3 of the season still to go, base on the football we are playing we wont be in the top 6 imo. Sorry i rate some of the players but not how Pardew translates it on the pitch , what if we ended the season 10,9,8?? how can you give credit to someone before the competition ends? Maybe if there are 5 to 3 matches to go and we have a good tally, i will be more comfortable in assuming where we would be but before all the celebrations, No one is due credit. Challenging/competing means nothing if the end results doesnt correlate to our final standing Who's celebrating/assuming where we're going to finish like? We've had a great season thus far, Pardew deserves credit for that, if we finish badly he'll deserve criticism. What a strange way of looking at it. I save all my opinion and emotional response until the end of the season when I can put it into context. That's when I perform my 40-minute interpretive dance: 1 minute dedicated to expressing my thoughts and feelings on each game and then the two-minute finale which serves as the summary of my opinion on the season as a whole and Pardew's reign to date. Be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 One thing that does puzzle me about him, is that he seems to change his mind about players at the drop of a hat. There's usually a consistency there with managers but Pardew seems to take a fancy to players for a week or two then you never see them again. Abeid played against Blackburn ahead of both Gosling and Ryan Taylor, I thought he was superb, not so much as seen since, with Perch promoted into his role. Ryan Taylor had also completely dropped out for a while before Santon came in - now he's one of the first names on the team sheet again and in a different position. Obertan had gone completely out of the picture prior to the Blackburn game to the point where he wasn't even appearing off the bench, now he's back in the first team. Vuckic was flavour of the month for a few games, started at Anfield, then vanished before being sent out on loan despite numerous absences in central midfield, where he'd previously appeared. Maybe it's a good thing that he's not set in his ways or tries new things but it always seems to me a very curious approach for a manager to take. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The game was lost within 15 minutes. Replacing Obertan with Ben Arfa wouldn't have made the slightest fucking difference imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. We've not been out of the top seven all season. We were a Championship side two years ago. Kindly go and boil your head. Move on , we have bought well and have better players than two years ago, and a couple of years before we drop into the Championship , we were in Europe. Football changes and teams improve or fall off. Stop using that as an excuse, how many freaking years must we be out of the Championship before we can claim we can improve and be hoping for better. Unless you're Man City/Chelsea it takes a while to build a squad capable of consistently finishing in the top six. The fact we're even competing a mere year and half follwoing a promotion is a testament to how well Pardew is doing. The season hasn't ended lets see where we finish before the victory laps, i am more focus on how we are performing on the pitch. As i said in another thread is it Ridiculously to congratulate or give credit to Pardew before the end of the season. For now the credit he deserves is keeping us from being relegated and nothing more. Where do you think we'll finish? The fact we're merely competing for the top six shows what a great job he's doing. 1/3 of the season still to go, base on the football we are playing we wont be in the top 6 imo. Sorry i rate some of the players but not how Pardew translates it on the pitch , what if we ended the season 10,9,8?? how can you give credit to someone before the competition ends? Maybe if there are 5 to 3 matches to go and we have a good tally, i will be more comfortable in assuming where we would be but before all the celebrations, No one is due credit. Challenging/competing means nothing if the end results doesnt correlate to our final standing Who's celebrating/assuming where we're going to finish like? We've had a great season thus far, Pardew deserves credit for that, if we finish badly he'll deserve criticism. What a strange way of looking at it. I save all my opinion and emotional response until the end of the season when I can put it into context. That's when I perform my 40-minute interpretive dance: 1 minute dedicated to expressing my thoughts and feelings on each game and the final two-minute finale which serves as my summary of my opinion on the season as a whole and Pardew's reign to date. Be there. What I mean is even if we finish the season badly he'll still deserve some form of credit for the first 24 games and the fact we've been punching well above our weight for two thirds of the season now. Didn't express myself very well in that first comment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 One thing that does puzzle me about him, is that he seems to change his mind about players at the drop of a hat. There's usually a consistency there with managers but Pardew seems to take a fancy to players for a week or two then you never see them again. Abeid played against Blackburn ahead of both Gosling and Ryan Taylor, I thought he was superb, not so much as seen since, with Perch promoted into his role. Ryan Taylor had also completely dropped out for a while before Santon came in - now he's one of the first names on the team sheet again and in a different position. Obertan had gone completely out of the picture prior to the Blackburn game to the point where he wasn't even appearing off the bench, now he's back in the first team. Vuckic was flavour of the month for a few games, started at Anfield, then vanished before being sent out on loan despite numerous absences in central midfield, where he'd previously appeared. Maybe it's a good thing that he's not set in his ways or tries new things but it always seems to me a very curious approach for a manager to take. He behaves a bit like a manager who hasn't had a pre-season with his players and is trying things during the season which suggests he doesn't really know his players. I've noticed him reacting but can't figure out what he's trying to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. We've not been out of the top seven all season. We were a Championship side two years ago. Kindly go and boil your head. Move on , we have bought well and have better players than two years ago, and a couple of years before we drop into the Championship , we were in Europe. Football changes and teams improve or fall off. Stop using that as an excuse, how many freaking years must we be out of the Championship before we can claim we can improve and be hoping for better. Unless you're Man City/Chelsea it takes a while to build a squad capable of consistently finishing in the top six. The fact we're even competing a mere year and half follwoing a promotion is a testament to how well Pardew is doing. The season hasn't ended lets see where we finish before the victory laps, i am more focus on how we are performing on the pitch. As i said in another thread is it Ridiculously to congratulate or give credit to Pardew before the end of the season. For now the credit he deserves is keeping us from being relegated and nothing more. Where do you think we'll finish? The fact we're merely competing for the top six shows what a great job he's doing. 1/3 of the season still to go, base on the football we are playing we wont be in the top 6 imo. Sorry i rate some of the players but not how Pardew translates it on the pitch , what if we ended the season 10,9,8?? how can you give credit to someone before the competition ends? Maybe if there are 5 to 3 matches to go and we have a good tally, i will be more comfortable in assuming where we would be but before all the celebrations, No one is due credit. Challenging/competing means nothing if the end results doesnt correlate to our final standing Who's celebrating/assuming where we're going to finish like? We've had a great season thus far, Pardew deserves credit for that, if we finish badly he'll deserve criticism. What a strange way of looking at it. I save all my opinion and emotional response until the end of the season when I can put it into context. That's when I perform my 40-minute interpretive dance: 1 minute dedicated to expressing my thoughts and feelings on each game and the final two-minute finale which serves as my summary of my opinion on the season as a whole and Pardew's reign to date. Be there. What I mean is even if we finish the season badly he'll still deserve some form of credit for the first 24 games and the fact we've been punching well above our weight for two thirds of the season now. Didn't express myself very well in that first comment. seemed bloody obvious to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The game was lost within 15 minutes. Replacing Obertan with Ben Arfa wouldn't have made the slightest f***ing difference imo. It would have given him much needed football time with the other players, something Obertan has had more than enough of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. We've not been out of the top seven all season. We were a Championship side two years ago. Kindly go and boil your head. Move on , we have bought well and have better players than two years ago, and a couple of years before we drop into the Championship , we were in Europe. Football changes and teams improve or fall off. Stop using that as an excuse, how many freaking years must we be out of the Championship before we can claim we can improve and be hoping for better. Unless you're Man City/Chelsea it takes a while to build a squad capable of consistently finishing in the top six. The fact we're even competing a mere year and half follwoing a promotion is a testament to how well Pardew is doing. The season hasn't ended lets see where we finish before the victory laps, i am more focus on how we are performing on the pitch. As i said in another thread is it Ridiculously to congratulate or give credit to Pardew before the end of the season. For now the credit he deserves is keeping us from being relegated and nothing more. Where do you think we'll finish? The fact we're merely competing for the top six shows what a great job he's doing. 1/3 of the season still to go, base on the football we are playing we wont be in the top 6 imo. Sorry i rate some of the players but not how Pardew translates it on the pitch , what if we ended the season 10,9,8?? how can you give credit to someone before the competition ends? Maybe if there are 5 to 3 matches to go and we have a good tally, i will be more comfortable in assuming where we would be but before all the celebrations, No one is due credit. Challenging/competing means nothing if the end results doesnt correlate to our final standing Who's celebrating/assuming where we're going to finish like? We've had a great season thus far, Pardew deserves credit for that, if we finish badly he'll deserve criticism. Sorry but there is a bigger picture than that. We are not playing well, we have not played well for a majority of this season and even worse during 2012. Results are falling our way with luck and when they aren't we are getting trashed like 5-2 to Fulham, 5-0 to Spurs and also the loss to Brighton. I would put a lot of this down to missing key players if it wasn't for us having not played well for a very large part of the season, ever since the Man City game we have had problem getting back on that horse and we have not played particularly well apart from the Man U game. I mean we have beaten Bolton, QPR, Man U, Blackburn and Villa since our first loss of the season against City. And all of them except Man U have been scrappy lucky wins where we werent really confidently deserving of three points. Now you take that into account, look what had happened have we not rode luck there and we wouldnt be anywhere near where we are. League is weaker than ever this season and we are taking advantage of it with individual brilliance and luck as well as other teams being real shit. By no imagination are we anywhere near the standard required to be playing European football. We have a great XI but our tactics have been poor and we look nowhere near as good as we did at the beginning of the season. Dont get blind by the results, look at our football and our tactics, they have been pisspoor for a while now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 One thing that does puzzle me about him, is that he seems to change his mind about players at the drop of a hat. There's usually a consistency there with managers but Pardew seems to take a fancy to players for a week or two then you never see them again. Abeid played against Blackburn ahead of both Gosling and Ryan Taylor, I thought he was superb, not so much as seen since, with Perch promoted into his role. Ryan Taylor had also completely dropped out for a while before Santon came in - now he's one of the first names on the team sheet again and in a different position. Obertan had gone completely out of the picture prior to the Blackburn game to the point where he wasn't even appearing off the bench, now he's back in the first team. Vuckic was flavour of the month for a few games, started at Anfield, then vanished before being sent out on loan despite numerous absences in central midfield, where he'd previously appeared. Maybe it's a good thing that he's not set in his ways or tries new things but it always seems to me a very curious approach for a manager to take. He behaves a bit like a manager who hasn't had a pre-season with his players and is trying things during the season which suggests he doesn't really know his players. I've noticed him reacting but can't figure out what he's trying to do. seems to me like a manager who's team is doing better than he thought so when anything goes against him he gets ultra defensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The game was lost within 15 minutes. Replacing Obertan with Ben Arfa wouldn't have made the slightest fucking difference imo. 100% agree with this, not sure starting him would have made a difference either, without Tiote & Cabaye in the starting Benny is a luxury we cannot afford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 One thing that does puzzle me about him, is that he seems to change his mind about players at the drop of a hat. There's usually a consistency there with managers but Pardew seems to take a fancy to players for a week or two then you never see them again. Abeid played against Blackburn ahead of both Gosling and Ryan Taylor, I thought he was superb, not so much as seen since, with Perch promoted into his role. Ryan Taylor had also completely dropped out for a while before Santon came in - now he's one of the first names on the team sheet again and in a different position. Obertan had gone completely out of the picture prior to the Blackburn game to the point where he wasn't even appearing off the bench, now he's back in the first team. Vuckic was flavour of the month for a few games, started at Anfield, then vanished before being sent out on loan despite numerous absences in central midfield, where he'd previously appeared. Maybe it's a good thing that he's not set in his ways or tries new things but it always seems to me a very curious approach for a manager to take. He behaves a bit like a manager who hasn't had a pre-season with his players and is trying things during the season which suggests he doesn't really know his players. I've noticed him reacting but can't figure out what he's trying to do. Yeah I tend to agree. One thing I always liked about Hughton, and I don't want to go on about him again, was that he nearly always picked what I thought was the right team and even when the result or performance ultimately didn't go our way, I could always appreciate what he'd tried to do. When we did get it wrong, or when something went right (Joey Barton on the right, for example), he always seemed to learn from that and take it forward. Too often Pardew leaves me scratching my head - not always for the worse however, I was bewildered by the Man Utd team selection and we pissed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The game was lost within 15 minutes. Replacing Obertan with Ben Arfa wouldn't have made the slightest f***ing difference imo. It would have given him much needed football time with the other players, something Obertan has had more than enough of. Agreed but it's a bit of a moot point. We didn't lose because of the decision to start Obertan instead of Ben Arfa but we may as well have brought him on at HT to give him some time on the park. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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