Gallowgate Toon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 His use of Cabaye (seemingly at least), truly epitomises what I don't like about him, he should be contributing so much more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Good posts in here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Just because the result went against us, it doesn't mean the first half approach was wrong. We went in at half time very comfortable and 2-0 up. Yes Wolves had had some possession, but it was very poor quality and I bet the Wolves fans would have been much more angry than ours. It was the second half that really surprised me. Pardew should have taken the opportunity to fire up the players and send them out to get another couple. It didn't happen at all, obviously. I wasn't creaming myself by the way. we did not go in at half time comfortable, anyone can tell we were in for a tough time when the second half whistle will blow, because we know pardew hardly ever make changes at halftime. we were not comfortable straight after the first 20 mins, we slow, lack of urgency lack of belief lack of energy. we were never comfortable apart from the first 20 mins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It's hardly hindsight, it was clearly a case of Ian and Jon criticizing his foresight. Embarrassing really, a point scoring attempt when it's fucking obvious, even when we win, that he's a very cowardly manager. I wasn't trying to score points, I couldn't give a fuck about that stuff. I still maintain that our performance in the first half was absolutely fine. Not ideal obviously, because in utopia we would just turn on the style and murder every 'inferior footballing side' that we play. But OK considering the circumstances. It was the second half that let us down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I don't think he has any idea on how to control games and be the dominant force. That's been apparent for most of the season but because Ba has been winning us games it's been ignored. Against teams like Wolves, all you need to do is control the game with possession and our far superior footballers will win the game 9 times out of 10. Unfortunately Pardew's brand of no-particular-style football means it's hard to control a game. Especially if you try to play shit opposition with their own brand of hit and hope football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Even at 2-0 I was concerned and I knew we would sit back and drop off in the second half. I also knew once they scored, we would struggle. We actually played like this away to them, we went into the lead and looked comfortable then all of a sudden we become shit and hung on in the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Big Al Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There may be some hope, Hughton was sacked for less. Cheers, mate, it is our only hope. Crap manager. Proven yet again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 HTT is getting most things right about Pardew, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It's hardly hindsight, it was clearly a case of Ian and Jon criticizing his foresight. Embarrassing really, a point scoring attempt when it's f***ing obvious, even when we win, that he's a very cowardly manager. I wasn't trying to score points, I couldn't give a f*** about that stuff. I still maintain that our performance in the first half was absolutely fine. Not ideal obviously, because in utopia we would just turn on the style and murder every 'inferior footballing side' that we play. But OK considering the circumstances. It was the second half that let us down. yep despite us score twice, our second half performance actually included some urgency regardless of us conceding two sloppy stinking goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Just because the result went against us, it doesn't mean the first half approach was wrong. We went in at half time very comfortable and 2-0 up. Yes Wolves had had some possession, but it was very poor quality and I bet the Wolves fans would have been much more angry than ours. It was the second half that really surprised me. Pardew should have taken the opportunity to fire up the players and send them out to get another couple. It didn't happen at all, obviously. I wasn't creaming myself by the way. we did not go in at half time comfortable, anyone can tell we were in for a tough time when the second half whistle will blow, because we know pardew hardly ever make changes at halftime. we were not comfortable straight after the first 20 mins, we slow, lack of urgency lack of belief lack of energy. we were never comfortable apart from the first 20 mins Well I thought that we would realised we were flagging and Pardew would sent them out firing to start the second half. Obviously that never happen. But as the first half ended we were definitely playing fine and looking good for a win IMO. There was always the potential that Wolves would get back into it, but to actually 'expect' that would have been overly negative, expecially with the chance Pardew had to talk them up at HT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Our performance in the first half was ok?? They must have had about 70% possession! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Gonna rightly get slated for this. Asked for it with his team selection, we've been shit. It's only right midfield where he even had a decision, no? Ian man, there's more to football than picking your best team, and he can't even do that. We dont play football, he sends us out to not concede, every single week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Gonna rightly get slated for this. Asked for it with his team selection, we've been shit. It's only right midfield where he even had a decision, no? Ian man, there's more to football than picking your best team, and he can't even do that. We dont play football, he sends us out to not concede, every single week. I know, but I was responding to a post about team selection. At least have a go at me when it makes sense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 His use of Cabaye (seemingly at least), truly epitomises what I don't like about him, he should be contributing so much more. I wonder how he feels now about Pardew's promises of passing, ball retaining football. It's long since gone to shit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Our performance in the first half was ok?? They must have had about 70% possession! It was 55% but I'm with you, it was a poor first half performance masked by mistakes that they made which gifted us the lead. The second half started the same and then deteriorated after they scored. Let's also not forget that he made a double change when we were defending a set piece, which is something that is unheard of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There may be some hope, Hughton was sacked for less. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 It's hardly hindsight, it was clearly a case of Ian and Jon criticizing his foresight. Embarrassing really, a point scoring attempt when it's fucking obvious, even when we win, that he's a very cowardly manager. I wasn't trying to score points, I couldn't give a fuck about that stuff. I still maintain that our performance in the first half was absolutely fine. Not ideal obviously, because in utopia we would just turn on the style and murder every 'inferior footballing side' that we play. But OK considering the circumstances. It was the second half that let us down. Agree with Ian regarding the first half. Not ideal, but the second half was the real let-down. I understand the merit of not getting carried away after you go 2 goals up so quickly. You know the opposition will look for a quick response and press tightly, so to focus on keeping it solid (or as solid as we could) made some semblance of sense. It wasn't the only thing we could do that would have made sense, of course, but it was one of them. Given that we didn't get our two goals from complete domination of the opposition - it would have been just as risky to try to kill the game/put them to the sword by continuing to stretch the playing at both ends. The awful thing, IMO, was that we started the second half in the exact same way, until we lost our foothold in the game entirely and could never re-establish it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stozo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 As per usual we see massive overreactions on this forum. Yes, we were very poor today and got battered last week by Spurs but does that make Pardew a bad manager? No. The problem he's got is he's becoming a victim of his own success. He's doing very well with what is in reality a limited squad. Today was poor but I really don't think you can blame Pardew "100%" as some people have been saying. We got off to an absolute flyer and then the players who were on the pitch stopped playing football. Alan Pardew cannot put his foot on the ball and pass it to a Newcastle player like Cabaye, Tiote, Jonas etc. should have been doing. Also, to pick up some people's points: The substitutions and people saying why did he think they would work - The substitutions point is totally void because the 2nd goal completely changed the game they were coming into. The subs may have brought more control to the game but 30 seconds after they'd come on the game was a different one and we were chasing the game rather than trying to control it. We'll never know either way Too many defensive limitations on players - I think this is ridiculous. I think someone said HBA looked so concerned about marking that it affected how he played. Every player has a job defensively and if they can't do it then there's little point in playing them. All the best teams have attacking players who have defensive roles. If our players can't handle having defensive duties in addition to their attacking roles then they probably aren't very good players. I'd also just point out that the squad Pardew has to choose from isn't exactly reflective of the 6th place we currently occupy. Williamson and Simpson both definite starters and not good enough. No back-up RB, CB, LB or LW of any real quality. RW we have HBA who can't defend, Obertan who's been very poor and Ryan Taylor who's not a natural winger and is more defensive. In central midfield we have no real strength in depth either. Our backup Striker was Shola today which says it all. Like I said not a good few weeks but let's not go over the top on criticism and remember what a good job Pardew has done to get us to 6th after 26 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Our performance in the first half was ok?? They must have had about 70% possession! They had a lot of the ball, but it was very poor possession and we were allowing them to have it because they weren't able to do anything with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 The first half is always us though. We sit back on leads, its a mentality that seems to spread through the players and creates a complete lack of urgency. Then we concede and go all out again much later on. Its bizarre & been consistant for ages. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Just because the result went against us, it doesn't mean the first half approach was wrong. We went in at half time very comfortable and 2-0 up. Yes Wolves had had some possession, but it was very poor quality and I bet the Wolves fans would have been much more angry than ours. It was the second half that really surprised me. Pardew should have taken the opportunity to fire up the players and send them out to get another couple. It didn't happen at all, obviously. I wasn't creaming myself by the way. I agree second half performance tops the first half when it comes to shitness. I think whatever "tactic" we may have had went out of the window when we scored so early and then got another before 20 minutes. From there on in we (Pardew?) decided we were just going to sit on it. On another day, with a more positive approach to the match we would have rolled them over after such a good start. Pardew has done well in continuing to build on the foundations laid down by Hughton, but I have to admit I'm starting to see where HTT is coming from in saying he might not be the man to move us up a notch.. It appears like our season is much like this match today was: started very well, got a bit lucky at times and found ourselves in an excellent position after the first quarter of the match/season. It's almost as if Pardew does not know how to react, and his fear of fucking up takes over, forcing him into unnecessarily negative actions, which ironically then turn against him and us. He needs to ditch the fear and embrace the excellent starting position we have somehow given ourselves and have confidence in the quality of his players to pull him/us through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We were poor in the first half tbh, created very little and never deserved to be 2-0 up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Even at 2-0 I was concerned and I knew we would sit back and drop off in the second half. I also knew once they scored, we would struggle. We actually played like this away to them, we went into the lead and looked comfortable then all of a sudden we become shit and hung on in the end. They should have got a draw then too iirc - they had a perfectly good goal disallowed. Been poor for a while now and no signs that changes are forthcoming. Such a shame given that we're in such a good position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 There may be some hope, Hughton was sacked for less. Cheers, mate, it is our only hope. Crap manager. Proven yet again. He's not crap, just average but getting (was) the results, but the performances are getting worse, points being lost and in some cases were getting hidings, with the players we've got it should be better than this. Hughton was sacked for being a naive manager too pally with his players, and he's been replaced with a manager who isn't learning, isn't developing himself or the players and is too pally with players who are letting the side down, while not playing the kind of players who can open up a team and win you games. He'd have been better off sticking with Nolan and smith, god knows he's got a man crush on ameobi who does fuk all every time he steps on the pitch. Sick to death of him, lucky he's got the points he's got because had he had the points our play deserves he'd have gone a long time ago. No faith in him now, he's fuking stupid, ive had enough of stupid no balls managers at this club, it's a game, play it, stop the tactical battle when you cannot even out smart someone with no experience and a team full of clobbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We were poor in the first half tbh, created very little and never deserved to be 2-0 up. You could look at it like that, but IMO the goals went in so quickly that they influenced the performance rather than the other way around. And Wolves certainly didn't 'deserve' a goal themselves, their attacking play was shocking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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