pi_D Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Don't forget Spudil..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think the Pardew bashing was totally understandable tbh. Calling our manager - who's done a bloody good job - a cunt is understandable? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Some of it was way over the top, but I can understand the criticism of the style to an extent. I just wish people would also factor in the fact that he had got a formula that was collecting us points on a regular basis, and maybe didn't want to risk it until we had cemented our position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think the Pardew bashing was totally understandable tbh. Calling our manager - who's done a bloody good job - a cunt is understandable? Is that what I said? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 who called him a cunt? remember some right ott stuff mind, still here's hoping he saw the light on sunday...to be honest how could he not, watching us huff and puff in the games vs. sunderland and wolves and scrape results was like watching something that needed putting out of it's misery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I didn't enjoy the football either, but we still should have been refraining from the more extreme Pardew bashing IMO. We had played 2/3 of the season, you don't stay around the top 6 that long if you don't deserve it. And as for the style of football, we only had the luxury of worrying about that because the league position was so good. Doesn't matter now like, fingers crossed we keep going like against WBA. In reality the extreme bashing was coming from a very,very small minority. This thread was bumped by Dave this afternoon, in what I assume was his amusement at someone out there thinking there is a Pardew out campaign going on on here. Some of the discussion may make it appear that way, but any observer should look at the above poll, which by N-O standards is big and therefore probably quite representative. 1.6% think he's terrible, 71.8% think he's Good or Brilliant, 92.6% think he's OK, Good or Brilliant. Hardly a Pardew out campaign methinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Some of it was way over the top, but I can understand the criticism of the style to an extent. I just wish people would also factor in the fact that he had got a formula that was collecting us points on a regular basis, and maybe didn't want to risk it until we had cemented our position. What I will say is that at this point of the season character is more important than style, and if Pardew has known that all along then fair dos. You only have to see how Man City, Spurs and Liverpool are faltering to see the truth in that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 who called him a cunt? remember some right ott stuff mind, still here's hoping he saw the light on sunday...to be honest how could he not, watching us huff and puff in the games vs. sunderland and wolves and scrape results was like watching something that needed putting out of it's misery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I didn't enjoy the football either, but we still should have been refraining from the more extreme Pardew bashing IMO. We had played 2/3 of the season, you don't stay around the top 6 that long if you don't deserve it. And as for the style of football, we only had the luxury of worrying about that because the league position was so good. Doesn't matter now like, fingers crossed we keep going like against WBA. Ian man as I've said many times it's not solely the style of football. It was the fact that our players were not suited to the style of football, a very basic element in management I'd imagine is playing to your players strengths. Please stop this notion that people have some sort of Barca-like ideology and are upset that it's not being implemented It's simple not the case, not for anyone on this board as far as I can tell. I never once complained about a long ball under Hughton as he set us up perfectly, reflecting the players we had at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I didn't enjoy the football either, but we still should have been refraining from the more extreme Pardew bashing IMO. We had played 2/3 of the season, you don't stay around the top 6 that long if you don't deserve it. And as for the style of football, we only had the luxury of worrying about that because the league position was so good. Doesn't matter now like, fingers crossed we keep going like against WBA. Ian man as I've said many times it's not solely the style of football. It was the fact that our players were not suited to the style of football, a very basic element in management I'd imagine is playing to your players strengths. Please stop this notion that people have some sort of Barca-like ideology and are upset that it's not being implemented It's simple not the case, not for anyone on this board as far as I can tell. I never once complained about a long ball under Hughton as he set us up perfectly, reflecting the players we had at the time. Fair enough, I didn't actually intend to imply all that stuff you mentioned. We've been through this loads of times anyway, I just think that he hit on a system (when HBA was injured as well) that was picking up a lot of points, and I can understand why he was slow to change it. Onwards and upwards now though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I didn't enjoy the football either, but we still should have been refraining from the more extreme Pardew bashing IMO. We had played 2/3 of the season, you don't stay around the top 6 that long if you don't deserve it. And as for the style of football, we only had the luxury of worrying about that because the league position was so good. Doesn't matter now like, fingers crossed we keep going like against WBA. Ian man as I've said many times it's not solely the style of football. It was the fact that our players were not suited to the style of football, a very basic element in management I'd imagine is playing to your players strengths. Please stop this notion that people have some sort of Barca-like ideology and are upset that it's not being implemented It's simple not the case, not for anyone on this board as far as I can tell. I never once complained about a long ball under Hughton as he set us up perfectly, reflecting the players we had at the time. Absolutely spot on. Anyway as Ian said, onwards and upwards. We have Euro spot in our grasp so enough of the quibbling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 A lot of people, quite rightly, grew frustrated with the way we were playing and how it was affecting results. However, he seems to be sorting it out now, so I have no problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yep I wasn't happy with the man's apparent ability, and to be honest it has still taken him this long to attempt what to most of us seems a very obvious square pegs to square holes solution. That he chose to do this in an away game was a bit baffling, but hey I'm a lot happier now that he has seemed to have grown a pair in finally taking that decision. This is a new side to Alan Pardew and I'm happy to see how he develops, he's showing something now that he hasn't shown before. I honestly think he or someone close to him reads what is written about him, because I've noticed several times when a few people are chiming with the same chords on here, there seems to be a reaction on the pitch. For what it's worth, I still don't think based on evidence so far that he's going to be as successful as Sir Bobby or KK; he is limited and is being flattered by the personal available to him. That said, he isn't royally screwing it up, and we could do with a bit of stability right now and a couple of seasons challenging in and around 6th I think is exactly what we need. Happy to bide time with him and see what happens, if this new side to Alan Pardew progresses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Any manager needs a certain amount of class players to do well, so I wouldn't hold that against him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 The issue wasn't only what was happening on the pitch. The issue was also what he was saying and conveying to the fans before and after matches. That is still an issue, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 That said, he isn't royally screwing it up, and we could do with a bit of stability right now and a couple of seasons challenging in and around 6th I think is exactly what we need. Yep. Beats relegation and finishing 13th-14th in the prem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I fully expect the direction here will be the other way round after 1-2 matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 The issue wasn't only what was happening on the pitch. The issue was also what he was saying and conveying to the fans before and after matches. That is still an issue, IMO. He was spot on before WBA tbf. Said the Norwich game was strictly 'just get a win' and that it'd give us the platform to use the ball better at the Hawthorns. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ToonZA Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think the Pardew bashing was totally understandable tbh. Calling our manager - who's done a bloody good job - a c*** is understandable? I think I have called many a Newcastle manager a c**** with the exception of Sir Bobby, more so KK and perhaps Hughton. Most of the time I believe they deserved it. Think Pardew got a couple during the Norwich game (a), the Swansea game (h) and Norwich (h) for closing shop and then taking HBA off. I think under the circumstances they were quite understandable. He wont be getting any more if we continue WBA style or if the circumstances dictate a more subdued and conservative approach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yep I wasn't happy with the man's apparent ability, and to be honest it has still taken him this long to attempt what to most of us seems a very obvious square pegs to square holes solution. That he chose to do this in an away game was a bit baffling, but hey I'm a lot happier now that he has seemed to have grown a pair in finally taking that decision. This is a new side to Alan Pardew and I'm happy to see how he develops, he's showing something now that he hasn't shown before. I honestly think he or someone close to him reads what is written about him, because I've noticed several times when a few people are chiming with the same chords on here, there seems to be a reaction on the pitch. For what it's worth, I still don't think based on evidence so far that he's going to be as successful as Sir Bobby or KK; he is limited and is being flattered by the personal available to him. That said, he isn't royally screwing it up, and we could do with a bit of stability right now and a couple of seasons challenging in and around 6th I think is exactly what we need. Happy to bide time with him and see what happens, if this new side to Alan Pardew progresses. He's nae Mourinho but in the summer he pointedly came out and said that he wanted to introduce his new style of football which is why he'd started bringing in the players he did. That we started the campaign with a couple of key players (a LB, HBA, another attacker) not available for selection somewhat forced him to continue with the existing methodology - make the team hard to break down and exploit the attacking situations. It was effective, not exactly free-flowing football. We came unstuck with the trio of difficult matches co-inciding with Colo's first injury and Saylor going down - two major losses and it told on the pitch as we dropped points in the three games after Man U/Man C/Chelsea. Some people saw this as a sign of Pards' "luck" running out (many of these didn't/don't trust the man). Some saw it as a flaw in his managerial accumen, as he wasn't able to change things when we'd been "worked out". Some rode out the rough after so much (relative) smooth. We also had the distraction of a not fully fit HBA having to be integrated back into the side with the vast majority pinpointing him as our real flair player who would at least be exciting, if not match-winning. We then lost Ba and Cabaye for a few matches (along with new signing Cisse) but stuck to the older methodology to grind out wins and points. We get howked off Fulham experimenting with the 4-3-3 (using Best and Shola instead of the first choice pair who were unavailable) - although the match isn't a total write-off as we were very good for 30-45mins at the start. With the full squad almost back and more than enough points on the board to surpass this season's expectations, Pards can now begin to 'experiment' with his chosen formation and the best players playing (injury permitting). The last 60mins of Wolves was a shambles, but every team has it's off day and there were extenuating circumstances (to some extent) and we battered the mackems for 45minutes before losing to a last gasp Arsenal goal at the Emirates. In any league, going without a win for 4/5 games is tough, so that's why the emphasis was placed on securing the 3pts against Norwich. The press have stopped dropping our name into Champs League talk (thankfully) and it looks as though Europa League is going to be out of our hands - all we can do is use the last 8 games to find our 'best' set-up and get as many points as possible so we set the standard for next season, but without having any real pressure on us. I don't see this as a new side to Pardew, I see this as him doing what he originally set out to do: get enough points to secure safety (done by Xmas really), then kick on from there after seeing out the Jan transfer window. If anything, he's encouraging the development of our football at a quicker rate than he probably envisaged with us having the 'comfort' of such an expectation-surpassing opening 30 games. His critics/detractors will call this revisionist, but I he's either the luckiest man in the world or he's got half a brain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Yep I wasn't happy with the man's apparent ability, and to be honest it has still taken him this long to attempt what to most of us seems a very obvious square pegs to square holes solution. That he chose to do this in an away game was a bit baffling, but hey I'm a lot happier now that he has seemed to have grown a pair in finally taking that decision. This is a new side to Alan Pardew and I'm happy to see how he develops, he's showing something now that he hasn't shown before. I honestly think he or someone close to him reads what is written about him, because I've noticed several times when a few people are chiming with the same chords on here, there seems to be a reaction on the pitch. For what it's worth, I still don't think based on evidence so far that he's going to be as successful as Sir Bobby or KK; he is limited and is being flattered by the personal available to him. That said, he isn't royally screwing it up, and we could do with a bit of stability right now and a couple of seasons challenging in and around 6th I think is exactly what we need. Happy to bide time with him and see what happens, if this new side to Alan Pardew progresses. He's nae Mourinho but in the summer he pointedly came out and said that he wanted to introduce his new style of football which is why he'd started bringing in the players he did. That we started the campaign with a couple of key players (a LB, HBA, another attacker) not available for selection somewhat forced him to continue with the existing methodology - make the team hard to break down and exploit the attacking situations. It was effective, not exactly free-flowing football. We came unstuck with the trio of difficult matches co-inciding with Colo's first injury and Saylor going down - two major losses and it told on the pitch as we dropped points in the three games after Man U/Man C/Chelsea. Some people saw this as a sign of Pards' "luck" running out (many of these didn't/don't trust the man). Some saw it as a flaw in his managerial accumen, as he wasn't able to change things when we'd been "worked out". Some rode out the rough after so much (relative) smooth. We also had the distraction of a not fully fit HBA having to be integrated back into the side with the vast majority pinpointing him as our real flair player who would at least be exciting, if not match-winning. We then lost Ba and Cabaye for a few matches (along with new signing Cisse) but stuck to the older methodology to grind out wins and points. We get howked off Fulham experimenting with the 4-3-3 (using Best and Shola instead of the first choice pair who were unavailable) - although the match isn't a total write-off as we were very good for 30-45mins at the start. With the full squad almost back and more than enough points on the board to surpass this season's expectations, Pards can now begin to 'experiment' with his chosen formation and the best players playing (injury permitting). The last 60mins of Wolves was a shambles, but every team has it's off day and there were extenuating circumstances (to some extent) and we battered the mackems for 45minutes before losing to a last gasp Arsenal goal at the Emirates. In any league, going without a win for 4/5 games is tough, so that's why the emphasis was placed on securing the 3pts against Norwich. The press have stopped dropping our name into Champs League talk (thankfully) and it looks as though Europa League is going to be out of our hands - all we can do is use the last 8 games to find our 'best' set-up and get as many points as possible so we set the standard for next season, but without having any real pressure on us. I don't see this as a new side to Pardew, I see this as him doing what he originally set out to do: get enough points to secure safety (done by Xmas really), then kick on from there after seeing out the Jan transfer window. If anything, he's encouraging the development of our football at a quicker rate than he probably envisaged with us having the 'comfort' of such an expectation-surpassing opening 30 games. His critics/detractors will call this revisionist, but I he's either the luckiest man in the world or he's got half a brain. That hardly required a Picard did it? And in the end you basically agreed with the part you decided to embold in the quote, that you're happy for him to continue also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 you claimed it was a "new side" - I reckon it's the same Pardew since the start of the season, he's not suddenly bowing down to fan pressure as some have suggested on the previous page Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 I think the Pardew bashing was totally understandable tbh. Calling our manager - who's done a bloody good job - a c*** is understandable? I think I have called many a Newcastle manager a c**** with the exception of Sir Bobby, more so KK and perhaps Hughton. Most of the time I believe they deserved it. Think Pardew got a couple during the Norwich game (a), the Swansea game (h) and Norwich (h) for closing shop and then taking HBA off. I think under the circumstances they were quite understandable. He wont be getting any more if we continue WBA style or if the circumstances dictate a more subdued and conservative approach. That really does say it all. Pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 28, 2012 Share Posted March 28, 2012 Has someone stolen the jam from your doughnut ?. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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