Dokko Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I want HBA in the line up as much as anyone, but i fully understand why Pardew doesnt want to start him with Guthrie and Perch in midfield, Best and Shola upfront and Simpson at RB........ When they come back( Tiote and Cabaye) and Simpson is replaced by a quality fullback i hope to see Pardew give him more chances...... But atm the defensive cover is too weak to have someone like Ben Arfa playing on the right side of a 4-4-2...... Let's not use Ben Arfa not playing to cloud our judgement, Pardew is doing an insane job. Our best manager since Sir Bobby IMO. Not had much competition tbf. Disagree... Since Sir Bobby; Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Kinnear and Hughton have been our manager. That is a shit load of managers = lot of competitions. (understand what you mean, just disagree with the statment ) Can't believe you think Kinnear and Souness were brilliant managers and Allardyce was driven out of the club before he could challenge Real Madrid for the CL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 I want HBA in the line up as much as anyone, but i fully understand why Pardew doesnt want to start him with Guthrie and Perch in midfield, Best and Shola upfront and Simpson at RB........ When they come back( Tiote and Cabaye) and Simpson is replaced by a quality fullback i hope to see Pardew give him more chances...... But atm the defensive cover is too weak to have someone like Ben Arfa playing on the right side of a 4-4-2...... Let's not use Ben Arfa not playing to cloud our judgement, Pardew is doing an insane job. Our best manager since Sir Bobby IMO. Not had much competition tbf. Disagree... Since Sir Bobby; Souness, Roeder, Allardyce, Kinnear and Hughton have been our manager. That is a s*** load of managers = lot of competitions. (understand what you mean, just disagree with the statment ) Tbf thats like saying because theres 18 other teams in La Liga that Barca and Madrid have competition....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 How anyone can begrudge Pardew's style of play or anything else when we're sitting 5th in the table, one point off 4th, with 14 games left is beyond me. We have been remarkably resilient this season - look at the teams we've put out there from time to time and still won games. We are not fragile. We've won at some truly diabolical grounds this year, like Stoke and Blackburn, playing ugly but effective football. The results are brilliant. We won a match with Danny Guthrie, James Perch, and Ryan Taylor starting in midfield. Who on earth would have expected that? Pardew's clearly an excellent man manager and a pretty solid tactician. Like every manager, Wenger, AVB, Fergie, and Mancini included, he's made tactical errors and personnel blunders. He's also made halftime adjustments on more than one occasion that have won us points. He wants to forge a strong squad. That's why he bigs up squad players all the time. He wants to instill a work ethic into every player, rightly or wrongly, and is demanding the same out of HBA. I think we could capably handle a flair player like Hatem when we have Tiote/Cabaye in the starting XI and hardworking forwards running off him. But since we haven't had that, solidity is more valued. I can understand that even if I don't fully agree. He has earned the right not to be second-guessed all the time. There are areas in which he needs to improve but he has exceeded my expectations to a mind-boggling degree. Great post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce is a better manager than Pardew whose football philsophies is actually quite similar to that of our former manager, stats based, percentages football, solid defence, direct football. We've put in many a poor performance under Pardew as we did under Allardyce. Pardew is just more slick and more likeable if you like as a personality. Big Sam was welcomed here with open arms by most on his appointment but as soon as we got a billionaire owner fans' attitudes started to change and he become quite the scapegoat. That said, some of the results and performances under him helped to underline fans' attitude towards him which didn't help his cause. I still believe, we'd have stayed up under him and would have went onto become a solid consistent top 8 side at least.... which fast forward to this very days is probably our true level under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VaVaVoom Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce is a better manager than Pardew whose football philsophies is actually quite similar to that of our former manager, stats based, percentages football, solid defence, direct football. We've put in many a poor performance under Pardew as we did under Allardyce. Pardew is just more slick and more likeable if you like as a personality. Big Sam was welcomed here with open arms by most on his appointment but as soon as we got a billionaire owner fans' attitudes started to change and he become quite the scapegoat. That said, some of the results and performances under him helped to underline fans' attitude towards him which didn't help his cause. I still believe, we'd have stayed up under him and would have went onto become a solid consistent top 8 side at least.... which fast forward to this very days is probably our true level under Pardew. Fuckin hell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce is a better manager than Pardew whose football philsophies is actually quite similar to that of our former manager, stats based, percentages football, solid defence, direct football. We've put in many a poor performance under Pardew as we did under Allardyce. Pardew is just more slick and more likeable if you like as a personality. Big Sam was welcomed here with open arms by most on his appointment but as soon as we got a billionaire owner fans' attitudes started to change and he become quite the scapegoat. That said, some of the results and performances under him helped to underline fans' attitude towards him which didn't help his cause. I still believe, we'd have stayed up under him and would have went onto become a solid consistent top 8 side at least.... which fast forward to this very days is probably our true level under Pardew. Fuckin hell Fucking hell what?! That Big Sam is a better manager than Pardew? Look at their records man I know he's hated here but Allardyce is a very good manager who always gets the best out of his sides/clubs. Why Blackburn sacked him I do not know, they would comfortably be sat in mid-table right now. Allardyce gets results. West Ham will go up under him, guaranteed, and if they keep him, they'll stay up, guaranteed. Pardew is a gamble that is working right now but you just know under him it could go massively wrong, like it seems to have done at all of his previous clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 From the bloke who reckoned Ashton would be better than Torres (ironically a player Pardew also rated and signed). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce is a better manager than Pardew whose football philsophies is actually quite similar to that of our former manager, stats based, percentages football, solid defence, direct football. We've put in many a poor performance under Pardew as we did under Allardyce. Pardew is just more slick and more likeable if you like as a personality. Big Sam was welcomed here with open arms by most on his appointment but as soon as we got a billionaire owner fans' attitudes started to change and he become quite the scapegoat. That said, some of the results and performances under him helped to underline fans' attitude towards him which didn't help his cause. I still believe, we'd have stayed up under him and would have went onto become a solid consistent top 8 side at least.... which fast forward to this very days is probably our true level under Pardew. Fuckin hell I've just been sick in my mouth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Big Sam < Pardew Still doesnt make Pardew the best manager, but I am happy with him as long as we keep winning, but I have my doubts with him and his tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce is a better manager than Pardew whose football philsophies is actually quite similar to that of our former manager, stats based, percentages football, solid defence, direct football. We've put in many a poor performance under Pardew as we did under Allardyce. Pardew is just more slick and more likeable if you like as a personality. Big Sam was welcomed here with open arms by most on his appointment but as soon as we got a billionaire owner fans' attitudes started to change and he become quite the scapegoat. That said, some of the results and performances under him helped to underline fans' attitude towards him which didn't help his cause. I still believe, we'd have stayed up under him and would have went onto become a solid consistent top 8 side at least.... which fast forward to this very days is probably our true level under Pardew. Fuckin hell I've just been sick in my mouth :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Derby 1-0 Newcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce is a better manager than Pardew whose football philsophies is actually quite similar to that of our former manager, stats based, percentages football, solid defence, direct football. We've put in many a poor performance under Pardew as we did under Allardyce. Pardew is just more slick and more likeable if you like as a personality. Big Sam was welcomed here with open arms by most on his appointment but as soon as we got a billionaire owner fans' attitudes started to change and he become quite the scapegoat. That said, some of the results and performances under him helped to underline fans' attitude towards him which didn't help his cause. I still believe, we'd have stayed up under him and would have went onto become a solid consistent top 8 side at least.... which fast forward to this very days is probably our true level under Pardew. http://www.myfacewhen.com/367/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Derby 1-0 Newcastle Stevenage... Brighton... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Derby 1-0 Newcastle Stevenage... Brighton... Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Derby 1-0 Newcastle Stevenage... Brighton... Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa Cacapa was very good for the first matches tbh Remember that beating at home to Portsmouth completely destroying his career though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Were we the only team in the league not to beat Derby that season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Jesus. I get that you don't rate Pardew but the players bought, results and performances under Allardyce were dreadful. He bought Beye, Enrique, Rosenthal, Faye, Smith, Geremi and Viduka. Anyone else? Only the first two were successes. The wretched home game v Liverpool (whilst we lost 3-0, it was for me far more incompetent than the 1-5 defeat the next season) under Fat Sam was the most clueless NUFC performance I've seen in my 25 years watching the club. Then there was the Portsmouth shambles not to mention gifting the worst PL side of all time, 4 points. A Derby side who were getting cuffed of everyone. We lost 0-1 and Sam reckoned if we'd taken a 0-0 draw it would have been a great result. Better than Pardew. Utter drivel. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Faye was quite good tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Faye was quite good tbf. He bought a collection of one paced players on the whole. Obviously Enrique was the exception yet Allardyce barely played him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Jesus. I get that you don't rate Pardew but the players bought, results and performances under Allardyce were dreadful. He bought Beye, Enrique, Rosenthal, Faye, Smith, Geremi and Viduka. Anyone else? Only the first two were successes. The wretched home game v Liverpool (whilst we lost 3-0, it was for me far more incompetent than the 1-5 defeat the next season) under Fat Sam was the most clueless NUFC performance I've seen in my 25 years watching the club. Then there was the Portsmouth shambles not to mention gifting the worst PL side of all time, 4 points. A Derby side who were getting cuffed of everyone. We lost 0-1 and Sam reckoned if we'd taken a 0-0 draw it would have been a great result. Better than Pardew. Utter drivel. Cacapa and Barton come to mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Faye was quite good tbf. Massive passenger, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Oh aye Cacapa, he was a liability. Barton had one good season but ultimately wasn't worth the aggro. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Sam was a more popular appointment than AP but both came here with very good reputations within the game. Pardew faced a great deal of prejudice from some because of his origins and previous clubs but his reputaion of working with players was apparent immediately as all our players got straight behind him. The vast majority of the football world and nowadays the vast majority of NUFC fans rate him highly. A few people just don't like him for some reason, seems like they've made up their minds they never will. Very small minority, no big deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted February 7, 2012 Share Posted February 7, 2012 Allardyce is a better manager than Pardew whose football philsophies is actually quite similar to that of our former manager, stats based, percentages football, solid defence, direct football. We've put in many a poor performance under Pardew as we did under Allardyce. Pardew is just more slick and more likeable if you like as a personality. Big Sam was welcomed here with open arms by most on his appointment but as soon as we got a billionaire owner fans' attitudes started to change and he become quite the scapegoat. That said, some of the results and performances under him helped to underline fans' attitude towards him which didn't help his cause. I still believe, we'd have stayed up under him and would have went onto become a solid consistent top 8 side at least.... which fast forward to this very days is probably our true level under Pardew. Absolute bollocks Your agenda against Pardew is verging on embarrassing. All of the players like him, the owners like him and most of the fans like him. Wake up man the reason you are in the minority is that you are WRONG! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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