Pandamninator Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Interesting post Shaun. Keegan only had Colo and Jonas for what 3 games? So we can rule those 2 out. Even though they played tremendously well against Man U in their first game. I suppose you're right about Nolan though. He was awful with him. I mean it must have been hard to include him considering Kinnear bought him in 4 months after KK had left. If I remember correctly too it was Keegan who actually played Jose even though Allardyce bought him yet persisted to play N'Zogbia full back instead. And Milner on the left wing! Keegan actually used these players properly and started to get the best out of them from March onwards. So think before you post you doylum I always thought Allardyce signed Nolan. Doesn't change the fact he almost go us relegated with a far better squad than we have now. You probably should just abandon ship now, this is just getting sad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Shaun is the biggest WUM on the board. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 That squad was fucking crap, man. And we finished 12th. Lost something like 10 games in a row. If anyone thinks Keegan could do a better job than Pardew, then they are insane. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Are you agreeing with me now? I can't tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Slow your roll, lads. Look at his picture, he's hard as fuck! I'd back off now, while you still can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 On paper that team could have challenged for a top six place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 On paper that team could have challenged for a top six place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Just for the record, I don't think Keegan would have the current side any higher than 5th or 6th. But he didn't do that bad a job with the 07-08 side, who were frankly a f***ing disgrace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Ronaldo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Just for the record, I don't think Keegan would have the current side any higher than 5th or 6th. But he didn't do that bad a job with the 07-08 side, who were frankly a f***ing disgrace. Alan Smith and Geremi in CM. The stuff of nightmares. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Just for the record, I don't think Keegan would have the current side any higher than 5th or 6th. But he didn't do that bad a job with the 07-08 side, who were frankly a f***ing disgrace. Alan Smith and Geremi in CM. The stuff of nightmares. To think that that was an Alan Smith in his Newcastle peak.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Deadmau5 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Can see Cabaye wanting away in the summer if this kind of fotball continues. Not what he was promised and it shows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Some things never change with Newcastle. Still the same group of fans wanting us to play like Brazil every week when they have no right to expect that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Yeah, and loads of thick supporters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Lurds and lurds Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Shaun Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Yeah, and loads of thick supporters. The Nolan mix-up was an honest mistake, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 classic NO forum "debate" going on again: Group A: results have been good, performances poor and ultimately that's likely to lead to poorer results unless pardew changes his tactics and selections in the long run... Group B: we're 6th man, you can't criticize pardew for results, it's a disgrace to even think of that Group A: agree that results are good, saying that in future they're likely to not be good anymore Group B: but results are good, we're 6th man repeat until pardew is fired We have a seasons worth of performances that show little correlation between possession/domination & results in comparison to the importance of simply having a very strong defensive system and attackers that will do enough to get the points. If teams have a very hard time scoring against you & you are good at putting the ball in the net, you will win games against most sides. Pardew has put in place the defensive system that achieves that & bought the attackers that do the business the other side. In what way is it likely that this will suddenly stop working? I wouldn't delegate that much praise on Pardew's doorstep, for systematically & deliberately targetting 'finishers' that are capable of killing sides with very few chances created in open play. The team's genuine matchwinners are Ba, Ben Arfa and now Cisse - with special mention to Collo as an additional threat from set-pieces. And those attackers mentioned falls into the overall policy of identifying & pursuiing players whose current value has opportunistically slipped below their true market worth, and can be moved-on for a profit. Arfa: damaged goods (at Marseille, prior to his loan) with his contract running into it's final two years. OM attempts to tout him (to bigger spending clubs, for a higher transfer fee) failed. Ba: we cashed in on a contractual release clause. Cisse: Freiburg's valuation far exceeds ours in the Summer, and we're appropriately rebuffed. Freiburg's table predicament changes later in the year (unexpectantly poor season) and the spectre of relegation forces an unexpected firesale of arguably their top asset, as they seek to reinforce the playing list (on a limited budget) for the post-Jan relegation fight . While they're on our books , with Ba hopefully secured to a new deal, all three are capable of putting 40m, into the coffers, for outgoing transfer deals. HBA is the wildcard in that lot, if he fully realizes his potential and doesn't become distracted, namely by man-management issues. The attacking trio in particular, thanks to their technique and athletic ability alone, are capable of scoring against the run-of-play. They'll survive in a turgid playing system of anti-football, on talent alone, but likewise we won't get the best out them over the long haul - just sporadic bursts. This type of Souness/Fat Sam/Kinnear/Pardew defensive anti-football goes against every principle they've been taught, and it will likely chip away at their morale over time. Ben Arfa has already made called-out Pardew's style of football, in that it goes against everything that he has been taught at Clairefontaine, by directly comparing it against & making reference to Brendan Rodger's pass-and-move football. They deserve better. It's sucker-punch football which is being coached by Pardew, and those genuine match-winners with resale value (who can conjure a score out of nothing) in many of our narrow wins this season will be difficult to replace. Within the constraints of our budget, by consistently attempting to acquire this calibre of player on the cheap, top-6 finishes (let alone top half) is unsustainable. Ba's and Ben Arfa's don't grow trees for a combined transfer fee of less than 10m. And it's a self-defeating style of play for any club hoping to develop raw talent from within the academy set-up, as the gulf in football coaching philosophies (between a more technical base at the academy level, and Pardew's) too wide a dividing gap. The Barcelona's, Ajax's and Arsenal's of the footballing world are consistent (re: their overall tactical philosophy) from academy to first team. Positive judgement is always passed on the rapidfire development once their youngsters are finally blooded into the first team picture. They look like seasoned already. Natural talent obviously has to be there, but the transition to first-team football is seamless. The gameplan and tactics are already entrenched, and that's thanks to having a consistent coaching & tactical mindset at all levels. Agree with most of that. What's the thing about Ben Arfa and the style of football? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 So in conclusion Pardew has taken a squad of players, who most people thought would struggle or be relegated, to 6th in the table with more than three quarters of the season played and given the club a possibility of European football next season. He has a good transfer market record, the apparent support of the club's owner, a solid and improving coaching, scouting and development system in place and 92.2% of people in a quite large N-O poll think he is doing OK, good or brilliant. Indeed 70.1% say he is doing either "good" or "brilliant". It would appear he is here for the long term and most supporters seem to prefer a shift towards that kind of stability. However the style football currently being played is not as eye pleasing as many wish for and the team is making hard work of every point we gain right now. Most of us want to see a more attacking style and prolonged periods of offensive possession rather than a cagey approach to defending slender leads. 1.6% of those polled think he is doing a "terrible" job. It is probably apparent who they are and they keep this thread burning hot arguing their case. No doubt the press who scan these threads to provide their stories when there's no real news to report, will soon start murmering about fans not being entirely happy with the management set up, but really it only appears to be a very small minority, albeit a vociferous one, who are not content with what the manager is doing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Some things never change with Newcastle. Still the same group of fans wanting us to play like Brazil every week when they have no right to expect that. No one expects Brazil, we just expect better than Stoke........ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_D Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 So in conclusion Pardew has taken a squad of players, who most people thought would struggle or be relegated, to 6th in the table with more than three quarters of the season played and given the club a possibility of European football next season. He has a good transfer market record, the apparent support of the club's owner, a solid and improving coaching, scouting and development system in place and 92.2% of people in a quite large N-O poll think he is doing OK, good or brilliant. Indeed 70.1% say he is doing either "good" or "brilliant". It would appear he is here for the long term and most supporters seem to prefer a shift towards that kind of stability. However the style football currently being played is not as eye pleasing as many wish for and the team is making hard work of every point we gain right now. Most of us want to see a more attacking style and prolonged periods of offensive possession rather than a cagey approach to defending slender leads. 1.6% of those polled think he is doing a "terrible" job. It is probably apparent who they are and they keep this thread burning hot arguing their case. No doubt the press who scan these threads to provide their stories when there's no real news to report, will soon start murmering about fans not being entirely happy with the management set up, but really it only appears to be a very small minority, albeit a vociferous one, who are not content with what the manager is doing. Good. We can now close the thread Great post though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 So in conclusion Pardew has taken a squad of players, who most people thought would struggle or be relegated, to 6th in the table with more than three quarters of the season played and given the club a possibility of European football next season. He has a good transfer market record, the apparent support of the club's owner, a solid and improving coaching, scouting and development system in place and 92.2% of people in a quite large N-O poll think he is doing OK, good or brilliant. Indeed 70.1% say he is doing either "good" or "brilliant". It would appear he is here for the long term and most supporters seem to prefer a shift towards that kind of stability. However the style football currently being played is not as eye pleasing as many wish for and the team is making hard work of every point we gain right now. Most of us want to see a more attacking style and prolonged periods of offensive possession rather than a cagey approach to defending slender leads. 1.6% of those polled think he is doing a "terrible" job. It is probably apparent who they are and they keep this thread burning hot arguing their case. No doubt the press who scan these threads to provide their stories when there's no real news to report, will soon start murmering about fans not being entirely happy with the management set up, but really it only appears to be a very small minority, albeit a vociferous one, who are not content with what the manager is doing. Good. We can now close the thread Great post though Disagree. It's not much more than a positive spin, whether any of that is an endorsement of Pardew as a manager is debateable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 So in conclusion Pardew has taken a squad of players, who most people thought would struggle or be relegated, to 6th in the table with more than three quarters of the season played and given the club a possibility of European football next season. He has a good transfer market record, the apparent support of the club's owner, a solid and improving coaching, scouting and development system in place and 92.2% of people in a quite large N-O poll think he is doing OK, good or brilliant. Indeed 70.1% say he is doing either "good" or "brilliant". It would appear he is here for the long term and most supporters seem to prefer a shift towards that kind of stability. However the style football currently being played is not as eye pleasing as many wish for and the team is making hard work of every point we gain right now. Most of us want to see a more attacking style and prolonged periods of offensive possession rather than a cagey approach to defending slender leads. 1.6% of those polled think he is doing a "terrible" job. It is probably apparent who they are and they keep this thread burning hot arguing their case. No doubt the press who scan these threads to provide their stories when there's no real news to report, will soon start murmering about fans not being entirely happy with the management set up, but really it only appears to be a very small minority, albeit a vociferous one, who are not content with what the manager is doing. Good. We can now close the thread Great post though Disagree. It's not much more than a positive spin, whether any of that is an endorsement of Pardew as a manager is debateable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 So in conclusion Pardew has taken a squad of players, who most people thought would struggle or be relegated, to 6th in the table with more than three quarters of the season played and given the club a possibility of European football next season. He has a good transfer market record, the apparent support of the club's owner, a solid and improving coaching, scouting and development system in place and 92.2% of people in a quite large N-O poll think he is doing OK, good or brilliant. Indeed 70.1% say he is doing either "good" or "brilliant". It would appear he is here for the long term and most supporters seem to prefer a shift towards that kind of stability. However the style football currently being played is not as eye pleasing as many wish for and the team is making hard work of every point we gain right now. Most of us want to see a more attacking style and prolonged periods of offensive possession rather than a cagey approach to defending slender leads. 1.6% of those polled think he is doing a "terrible" job. It is probably apparent who they are and they keep this thread burning hot arguing their case. No doubt the press who scan these threads to provide their stories when there's no real news to report, will soon start murmering about fans not being entirely happy with the management set up, but really it only appears to be a very small minority, albeit a vociferous one, who are not content with what the manager is doing. no, we don't have a problem whether we are playing defensive or attacking, or are we demanding to have 'offensive possession.' neither are we bothered about defending a one goal lead. I personally don't anyway. I believe we just want to see less hoof ball. That is the main gripe. There is nothing wrong with playing defensive football, but there are more ways than one to do it, rather than resorting to just hoofing the ball. what is wrong with a team that gets a goal or two and defend it by trying to keep the ball, pass sideways, pass backwards etc? we don't have to go forward. Nothing wrong with that! But we don't even attempt anything like that, instead we make it hard for ourselves by just giving the ball away when we have it simply just hoofing it away to two strikers who aren't target men. then we run around like headless chickens to get the ball back and hoof it back to the opposing team, then the process repeats again rinse repeat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I think what means "we make it hard for ourselves" is to let Williamson got exposed during counter attack. The Spurs goal just cannot get off from my head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 So in conclusion Pardew has taken a squad of players, who most people thought would struggle or be relegated, to 6th in the table with more than three quarters of the season played and given the club a possibility of European football next season. He has a good transfer market record, the apparent support of the club's owner, a solid and improving coaching, scouting and development system in place and 92.2% of people in a quite large N-O poll think he is doing OK, good or brilliant. Indeed 70.1% say he is doing either "good" or "brilliant". It would appear he is here for the long term and most supporters seem to prefer a shift towards that kind of stability. However the style football currently being played is not as eye pleasing as many wish for and the team is making hard work of every point we gain right now. Most of us want to see a more attacking style and prolonged periods of offensive possession rather than a cagey approach to defending slender leads. 1.6% of those polled think he is doing a "terrible" job. It is probably apparent who they are and they keep this thread burning hot arguing their case. No doubt the press who scan these threads to provide their stories when there's no real news to report, will soon start murmering about fans not being entirely happy with the management set up, but really it only appears to be a very small minority, albeit a vociferous one, who are not content with what the manager is doing. Good. We can now close the thread Great post though Disagree. It's not much more than a positive spin, whether any of that is an endorsement of Pardew as a manager is debateable. to be fair while i'm on your side 100% what the lad has stated here has as much grounding in fact and reality than anything you or i are claiming... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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