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The College Dropout

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There's so many ways Carver could have got us to safety and because he's got the brain of a mouldy cheese sandwich, he's managed to find the only way of getting relegated possible.  After the first three or four defeats in a row, anyone with even a single functioning brain cell would have probably tried to organise the team into a Tony Pulis style all out defence, just to grind out a 0-0 within a few games and stop the rot.  Instead we've tried all bizarre manner of just throwing the players onto the pitch with the instruction to 'put some effort in' and it has backfired spectacularly.

 

 

Two banks of 4 in defense and midfield would have been the obvious way to go, with Abeid alongside Colback in centre midfield to stiffen us up through the middle and provide some genuine closing down of the opposition. The players to make way should have been nothing attacking players who offer neither assists nor goals. Obertan, Gouffran and Jonas fall into this category. Ryan Taylor should have been used strictly as a s*** full back if at all. If you don't have goals in the team the obvious tactic should be to stop them going in.

 

Yep, even a really crappy team can get a 0-0 within 2 or 3 games by sitting deep.  It would even quite suit us with how slow a lot of our current available players are.  I doubt Ryan Taylor wants to play a high line and track people.  Playing full back and sitting deep, his pace wouldn't be such an issue.  Even our wobbly sackless central defence wouldn't shake quite so much with protection from two defensive midfield players.  It could have been grim to watch, but when you're losing game after game by 2 or 3 goals, you have to find ways of getting a result, especially when one or two more points sees you safe.  Now of course, it's actually a bit late to use that approach, because we really badly need a win.  We had plenty of games left before though and never once have we looked organised enough to grind out a result.  I don't think that Carver could organise Alphabet Soup into order though and so we've never had the chance of doing that.

Not once. Organisation is a valuable skill and utility. We have none. Then going forward? We are going to lose 11 on the spin.
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Carver doesn't have a single clue.

 

I've heard of keeping a narrow shape but his idea of narrow is ridiculous. Our pressing is consistently a joke. We can't mark from set-pieces. Can't even take a kick-off. This is Sunday league stuff.

 

This is what's laughable about everything in the media now.  We're getting told the fans are to blame, the fans wanted Pardew out, the fans haven't got behind Carver.  It's so backwards it's untrue.  Every fan you could ever speak to knew that Carver was a relegation risk, even with the points tally he inherited.  It's not like we all didn't see this coming.  The only people who thought Carver was the right man, were journalists, pundits and the people running our shell of a club.  I've never spoken to a fan yet who thought it was a good idea.  Toronto and Leeds fans popping up with opinions on comments sections saying things like "We warned you he was rubbish" as if we didn't already know.

 

If instead of blaming the fans, the club had actually listened, we'd have Garde or someone of his ilk in charge.  We'd also have a couple more players in key positions, with Santon and Yanga Mbiwa still in the squad.  That would all have been achieved with about 25m still in the bank.  If those things had been done, as every single fan insisted they should have been, we'd have been closer to someone like Swansea now than we would relegation.  Appointing Carver is up there with the most idiotic decisions ever made in Football.  It's a decision made in contempt and hubris, by men who think they're so far above us they believe they're looking down on us from space.

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Another great quote by The Secret Footballer that perfectly illustrates our current predicament with this massive t*** in charge:

 

If, as a player, you have no clear instructions when taking to the pitch, then it is extremely difficult to make decisions with and without the ball. To my mind, that has led to a lack of effort, not necessarily because the players are lazy – though I’m sure one or two are – but because they simply don’t know what they are supposed to be doing, so they simply do nothing.

 

He was talking about QPR under 'Arry but it couldn't be more true for us right now

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The College Dropout

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Carver doesn't have a single clue.

 

I've heard of keeping a narrow shape but his idea of narrow is ridiculous. Our pressing is consistently a joke. We can't mark from set-pieces. Can't even take a kick-off. This is Sunday league stuff.

 

This is what's laughable about everything in the media now.  We're getting told the fans are to blame, the fans wanted Pardew out, the fans haven't got behind Carver.  It's so backwards it's untrue.  Every fan you could ever speak to knew that Carver was a relegation risk, even with the points tally he inherited.  It's not like we all didn't see this coming.  The only people who thought Carver was the right man, were journalists, pundits and the people running our shell of a club.  I've never spoken to a fan yet who thought it was a good idea.  Toronto and Leeds fans popping up with opinions on comments sections saying things like "We warned you he was rubbish" as if we didn't already know.

 

If instead of blaming the fans, the club had actually listened, we'd have Garde or someone of his ilk in charge.  We'd also have a couple more players in key positions, with Santon and Yanga Mbiwa still in the squad.  That would all have been achieved with about 25m still in the bank.  If those things had been done, as every single fan insisted they should have been, we'd have been closer to someone like Swansea now than we would relegation.  Appointing Carver is up there with the most idiotic decisions ever made in Football.  It's a decision made in contempt and hubris, by men who think they're so far above us they believe they're looking down on us from space.

 

I think you've taken general consensus on here as what the "fans" want. IMO the fans wanted a professional football club manager who could take the team forward. Nobody thought Carver would be that man. Same with the transfers. Neither MYM or Santon set the world on fire but we expect first team players to be replaced... with first team players. Either keep them, or replace them properly. We did neither. Even if we just spent the modest fees we received we would be in much better shape.

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Another great quote by The Secret Footballer that perfectly illustrates our current predicament with this massive t*** in charge:

 

If, as a player, you have no clear instructions when taking to the pitch, then it is extremely difficult to make decisions with and without the ball. To my mind, that has led to a lack of effort, not necessarily because the players are lazy – though I’m sure one or two are – but because they simply don’t know what they are supposed to be doing, so they simply do nothing.

 

He was talking about QPR under 'Arry but it couldn't be more true for us right now

 

Definitely, we haven't looked like we've had a functioning game plan for about 5 years. If not longer.

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Carver doesn't have a single clue.

 

I've heard of keeping a narrow shape but his idea of narrow is ridiculous. Our pressing is consistently a joke. We can't mark from set-pieces. Can't even take a kick-off. This is Sunday league stuff.

 

This is what's laughable about everything in the media now.  We're getting told the fans are to blame, the fans wanted Pardew out, the fans haven't got behind Carver.  It's so backwards it's untrue.  Every fan you could ever speak to knew that Carver was a relegation risk, even with the points tally he inherited.  It's not like we all didn't see this coming.  The only people who thought Carver was the right man, were journalists, pundits and the people running our shell of a club.  I've never spoken to a fan yet who thought it was a good idea.  Toronto and Leeds fans popping up with opinions on comments sections saying things like "We warned you he was rubbish" as if we didn't already know.

 

If instead of blaming the fans, the club had actually listened, we'd have Garde or someone of his ilk in charge.  We'd also have a couple more players in key positions, with Santon and Yanga Mbiwa still in the squad.  That would all have been achieved with about 25m still in the bank.  If those things had been done, as every single fan insisted they should have been, we'd have been closer to someone like Swansea now than we would relegation.  Appointing Carver is up there with the most idiotic decisions ever made in Football.  It's a decision made in contempt and hubris, by men who think they're so far above us they believe they're looking down on us from space.

 

I think you've taken general consensus on here as what the "fans" want. IMO the fans wanted a professional football club manager who could take the team forward. Nobody thought Carver would be that man. Same with the transfers. Neither MYM or Santon set the world on fire but we expect first team players to be replaced... with first team players. Either keep them, or replace them properly. We did neither. Even if we just spent the modest fees we received we would be in much better shape.

 

I know the people on here don't always represent all fans in general, but every single newspaper poll going was a 97% no on wanting Carver, so things like that were a definite fan consensus across the board.  Most fans knew we needed players and a competent manager, wherever you looked.  That's all the owner and chairman had to listen to, even if they didn't listen to the people trying to more deeply analyse the club.  The club has done the exact opposite and treated all fans with contempt.  If they start finally getting grief from the people in the stands, with others not turning up, it just shows the ill treatment has finally started to permeate right through all levels of the fanbase.

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NEEJ

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What is the general fan consensus if, and we will be, relegated? Surely people wouldn't go to games after Ashley did this a second time, right?

Oh yes they would.

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Utterly disingenuous, as you'd expect from Sky and the BBC.

 

He was talking about remaining positive and maintaining an optimistic outlook in our current plight.

 

He said, "I still think I'm the best coach in the Premier League. Thats what I think. And there's nothing wrong with that."

 

Would still be better if he STFU, like.

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