Disco Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Using that method I've just described Mike Williamson too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 And Paul Scholes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Stifler Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Stifler Look, I'm stupid, but not stupid enough to support those who shall not be named, give me a chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Barton a grafter, yeah right. He might try hard, but a lot of players do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Barton a grafter, yeah right. He might try hard, but a lot of players do. Absolutely no question that Barton's a grafter tbh. I'd honestly say he's just about the biggest grafter in the side (maybe Jonas). When he played out wide last season, he covered absolutely shitloads of ground. Always an option in the middle... tucked in when we're in possession... then tracking back out wide on the defensive. Shitloads of stamina, shitloads of graft. I'd argue that it's one of the things we'll miss the most from him because, personally, i thought his service was a touch inconsistent - certainly in play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Barton a grafter, yeah right. He might try hard, but a lot of players do. Absolutely no question that Barton's a grafter tbh. I'd honestly say he's just about the biggest grafter in the side. When he played out wide last season, he covered absolutely shitloads of ground. Always an option in the middle... tucked in when we're in possession... then tracking back out wide on the defensive. Shitloads of stamina, shitloads of graft. I'd argue that it's one of the things we'll miss the most from him because, personally, i thought his service was a touch inconsistent - certainly in play. Nah Tiote was a better grafter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 In the middle he's the square root of shite, Matt. Gets bullied far too often and no longer has the legs to be considered a grafter. He's a wide-midfielder who sometimes drifts inside, usually to the team's detriment. Whatever gap Barton leaves, I'm convinced Cabaye will more than fill it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I have never considered Barton a grafter at all. I think people tend to get carried away by his aggressive personality and apply it to his style as a footballer, plus the odd flying tackle, but he's never been a ball-winning player. His strengths lie elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 In the middle he's the square root of shite, Matt. Gets bullied far too often and no longer has the legs to be considered a grafter. He's a wide-midfielder who sometimes drifts inside, usually to the team's detriment. Whatever gap Barton leaves, I'm convinced Cabaye will more than fill it. That's what i mean - tucking in from the wide position. He's crap in the middle. Disagree that tucking in from wide is to the team's detriment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Would take Bentley for 4m max. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I have never considered Barton a grafter at all. I think people tend to get carried away by his aggressive personality and apply it to his style as a footballer, plus the odd flying tackle, but he's never been a ball-winning player. His strengths lie elsewhere. This is exactly right. Some seem to have this image of him as a durable, tough-tackling powerhouse with a terrific engine. He's anything but. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 May I ask what appears to have changed your mind on Barton? You have been one of his biggest fans on here for some time as I recall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I have never considered Barton a grafter at all. I think people tend to get carried away by his aggressive personality and apply it to his style as a footballer, plus the odd flying tackle, but he's never been a ball-winning player. His strengths lie elsewhere. This is exactly right. Some seem to have this image of him as a durable, tough-tackling powerhouse with a terrific engine. He's anything but. I read this on other club's boards all the time. "Box-to-box" "midfield allrounder" etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 May I ask what appears to have changed your mind on Barton? You have been one of his biggest fans on here for some time as I recall. I think Ronaldo is a fan but he's also always been quite outspoken about what he thinks are his limitations. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 May I ask what appears to have changed your mind on Barton? You have been one of his biggest fans on here for some time as I recall. I like him very much as a player, and have defended him time after time when I thought the criticism was unwarranted and his value to the team was being underrated by some. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 May I ask what appears to have changed your mind on Barton? You have been one of his biggest fans on here for some time as I recall. I like him very much as a player, and have defended him time after time when I thought the criticism was unwarranted and his value to the team was being underrated by some. But your posts yesterday/today seem to suggest you don't mind him leaving, is this right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I do mind. I'm just not hugely bothered about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Surely Cabaye and Barton would have been starting next season, no? Barton certainly would have featured in my starting XI, as things stand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 I'd rather have Jonas or Gosling in a midfield 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted August 1, 2011 Share Posted August 1, 2011 Can't see Jonas playing as anything but a winger. Gosling is still a bit of an unknown entity. Barton/Tiote/Cabaye would have been ideal tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Well, we need a bare-ass minimum of three players (striker, replacements for Barton and Enrique) now and I'd prefer that we add a defender of some sort to that. Optimistic idiot that I am, it's hard for me to imagine us signing four player in a month. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 You'll probably resort to a loan or two, I'd imagine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 I don't mind loans, but our track record with those is terrible. I don't think we've ever had a good one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 2, 2011 Share Posted August 2, 2011 Rossi. We had him on the bench behind Shola, Sibierski and Luque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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