geordiesteve710 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-hoping-keep-sammy-8647257 Love this player. He has improved a lot this season and there's more to come. It'd be great to secure him on a new contract. Would be like a new signing tbh... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I don't think he's that bad, and has improve this season, but you know, where we would like to be is with someone much better in that position. There is little likelihood of that happening, so really there is no point in getting rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andymc1 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 He's infuriating. Can't stand footballers that have nothing between their lugs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/newcastle-united-hoping-keep-sammy-8647257 Love this player. He has improved a lot this season and there's more to come. It'd be great to secure him on a new contract. Would be like a new signing tbh... I wasn't going to say that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I think Sammy is areet. But fuck me, saying he's young as a justification of his absolutely mediocrity is laughable. He's abut 18 month younger than Hazard for chirst sake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Not so much young as inexperienced - he only had 67 career starts and it shows. Hazard has 341. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twinport53 Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Not so much young as inexperienced - he only had 67 career starts and it shows. Hazard has 341. But does that not prove the point further? Hazard was getting more games at an even younger age than what Sammy is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 It's certainly a factor, but I think Sammy has been disadvantaged by being part of our shit youth setup, where there seems to be no real plan for integrating younger players into the first team. Plus he seems to have been a later developer physically - at 20 he still had legs like pipe-cleaners! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I think Sammy is areet. But fuck me, saying he's young as a justification of his absolutely mediocrity is laughable. He's abut 18 month younger than Hazard for chirst sake. Indeed. Nearly 3 years older than Raheem Sterling, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Not so much young as inexperienced - he only had 67 career starts and it shows. Hazard has 341. But does that not prove the point further? Hazard was getting more games at an even younger age than what Sammy is now. That has more to do with Hazard being a world class talent. you cant really compare one of our decent squad members from the academy to one of Chelsea's best players and expect them to have played a similar amount of games across their career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 People genuinely comparing Ameobi to Hazard and Sterling and expressing surprise that he isn't at that level? Staggering. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 People genuinely comparing Ameobi to Hazard and Sterling and expressing surprise that he isn't at that level? Staggering. It will be, if you're a tad thick. All people are saying is that his age can't be used as some sort of excuse for him. Lack of experience, of course, but Sammy has turned down several opportunities to go out on loan in favour of sitting on the bench or in a warm seat in the stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Sammy has been a late, and slow developer. When I first saw him, I didn't regard him as one of the more promising youngsters. He's got an unusual build for a footballer, which in some situations makes him look quite awkward. I think he also had a tendency to try to do too much on his own, and beat players rather than release the ball early. So his journey hasn't been a simple one. But I think his judgement of situations is much better now, and he's creating more for other people. From the supporters' point of view, with that gangly physique, situations will arise where he loses the ball when most other players wouldn't, and I can hear people instantly getting on his back when that happens. For me, that has to balanced with other situations where he gets clean past defenders and they can't recover. This lad is still a work in progress, and we'd be mad to ditch him now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 People genuinely comparing Ameobi to Hazard and Sterling and expressing surprise that he isn't at that level? Staggering. It will be, if you're a tad thick. All people are saying is that his age can't be used as some sort of excuse for him. Lack of experience, of course, but Sammy has turned down several opportunities to go out on loan in favour of sitting on the bench or in a warm seat in the stands. Of course a player's age AND experience can be used as an excuse. Players develop at different rates - you only have to look at someone like Harry Kane for extremely recent evidence of that. He's older than Sammy and, prior to this season, had shown no signs of developing into a very good PL striker. Sammy may never get any better than he currently is, but I think it's worth giving him a couple of years more to see how he develops. If he doesn't get any better, then move him on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 People genuinely comparing Ameobi to Hazard and Sterling and expressing surprise that he isn't at that level? Staggering. It will be, if you're a tad thick. All people are saying is that his age can't be used as some sort of excuse for him. Lack of experience, of course, but Sammy has turned down several opportunities to go out on loan in favour of sitting on the bench or in a warm seat in the stands. Of course a player's age AND experience can be used as an excuse. Players develop at different rates - you only have to look at someone like Harry Kane for extremely recent evidence of that. He's older than Sammy and, prior to this season, had shown no signs of developing into a very good PL striker. Sammy may never get any better than he currently is, but I think it's worth giving him a couple of years more to see how he develops. If he doesn't get any better, then move him on. Well that's shit, for a start. Also factor in that Kane's role is one young players seldom seem to thrive in. Sammy's a winger. If he was ever going to be a very good one he'd have shown far more than he has in the opportunities he's been given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Sammy's about a year older than Kane btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Was just thinking of ages on players, while we were all going on about rookie Jak Alnwick, he's only 11 months younger than Courtois. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 People genuinely comparing Ameobi to Hazard and Sterling and expressing surprise that he isn't at that level? Staggering. It will be, if you're a tad thick. All people are saying is that his age can't be used as some sort of excuse for him. Lack of experience, of course, but Sammy has turned down several opportunities to go out on loan in favour of sitting on the bench or in a warm seat in the stands. Of course a player's age AND experience can be used as an excuse. Players develop at different rates - you only have to look at someone like Harry Kane for extremely recent evidence of that. He's older than Sammy and, prior to this season, had shown no signs of developing into a very good PL striker. Sammy may never get any better than he currently is, but I think it's worth giving him a couple of years more to see how he develops. If he doesn't get any better, then move him on. Well that's s***, for a start. Also factor in that Kane's role is one young players seldom seem to thrive in. Sammy's a winger. If he was ever going to be a very good one he'd have shown far more than he has in the opportunities he's been given. I'll never quite understand why you feel it's appropriate to be so needlessly aggressive. Moving on - is there a particular point in Kane's career where he was showing promise? His record on loan was distinctly average - 14 goals in 53 games spread across the Championship and League 1 - and, from various Spurs supporting friends I have, he has never been regarded at Spurs as being a great talent (which has also been reflected in various articles on him recently). Even up until the Chelsea game, they were pretty convinced it was a lucky streak. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Sammy's about a year older than Kane btw. Yeah - for some reason I thought Kane was 23. Not sure why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 People genuinely comparing Ameobi to Hazard and Sterling and expressing surprise that he isn't at that level? Staggering. It will be, if you're a tad thick. All people are saying is that his age can't be used as some sort of excuse for him. Lack of experience, of course, but Sammy has turned down several opportunities to go out on loan in favour of sitting on the bench or in a warm seat in the stands. Of course a player's age AND experience can be used as an excuse. Players develop at different rates - you only have to look at someone like Harry Kane for extremely recent evidence of that. He's older than Sammy and, prior to this season, had shown no signs of developing into a very good PL striker. Sammy may never get any better than he currently is, but I think it's worth giving him a couple of years more to see how he develops. If he doesn't get any better, then move him on. Well that's s***, for a start. Also factor in that Kane's role is one young players seldom seem to thrive in. Sammy's a winger. If he was ever going to be a very good one he'd have shown far more than he has in the opportunities he's been given. Yeah, kinda like all the other players that have thrived under the current tutelage. Some of our supporters....shessh. He has shown enough to get a contract. Heaven forbid we have a solid backup, or competition for places. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 He may have refused opportunities to go on loan because he had belief in his own ability to make it here? What exactly did he have in front of him? Can't criticise the lad for thinking he could challenge given the uselessness of our wide players since f*** knows when. Maybe he could have had more game time under his belt if Pardew wasn't such a weapon. However, he's okay, has improved with games, has scored some goals, got an assist or two and not looked totally out of his depth. There is no point chucking him like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 He's fine to have in the squad. Better winger than Obertan and Gouffran, though that's not saying much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Don't think there is any logic behind age vs talent discussion. There are so many variables, the main one being potential but also coaching, motivation, game time, loan experience, standard of opposition, standard of team mates, leadership within the squad. Players make break throughs at all ages, for lots of different reasons. Ultimately, the thing that will hold Sammy back is his attitude/intelligence. He's inconsistent in the same game, sometimes, that's nothing to do with talent but concentration and hard work. He's like his brother in that sense, utterly frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Was just thinking of ages on players, while we were all going on about rookie Jak Alnwick, he's only 11 months younger than Courtois. To be fair, as utterly shit as Alnwick was in his few starts he's the a perfect example of how well the training ground, reserve games and games for shit like Gateshead prepare you for PL football. You need games at a testing professional level in order to be able to even avoid embarrassment in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 People genuinely comparing Ameobi to Hazard and Sterling and expressing surprise that he isn't at that level? Staggering. It will be, if you're a tad thick. All people are saying is that his age can't be used as some sort of excuse for him. Lack of experience, of course, but Sammy has turned down several opportunities to go out on loan in favour of sitting on the bench or in a warm seat in the stands. Of course a player's age AND experience can be used as an excuse. Players develop at different rates - you only have to look at someone like Harry Kane for extremely recent evidence of that. He's older than Sammy and, prior to this season, had shown no signs of developing into a very good PL striker. Sammy may never get any better than he currently is, but I think it's worth giving him a couple of years more to see how he develops. If he doesn't get any better, then move him on. Well that's s***, for a start. Also factor in that Kane's role is one young players seldom seem to thrive in. Sammy's a winger. If he was ever going to be a very good one he'd have shown far more than he has in the opportunities he's been given. Yeah, kinda like all the other players that have thrived under the current tutelage. Some of our supporters....shessh. He has shown enough to get a contract. Heaven forbid we have a solid backup, or competition for places. I'm not sure what your point is as I've not advocated releasing him. Truth be told I'd give him a contract and send him to the Championship for a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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