nufc4eva Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Really have zero optimism for next season so this won't change a thing, not looking forward to watching the shit Pardew calls football anyway and Cabaye is wasted in a Pardew lineup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Cabaye and Tiote both likely to go? I hope we have replacements lined up or this could get ugly. Oh we'll get plenty of British grit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Cabaye and Tiote both likely to go? I hope we have replacements lined up or this could get ugly. Oh we'll get plenty of British grit Midfield is just a concept to Pardew anyway, it really isn't required as part of our direct football approach Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Source: Daily Star. I sense bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Like Tiote's a 'midfielder' anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 In many ways it doesn't really matter who comes out who goes, the bloke in charge of the team is useless and I've got zero faith in him. He simply can't get the best out of his squad and he is the replacement we need. You can buy him as many good players as you want he's still going to under achieve with them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Im very excited about the season... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I'm not sure that a total change in our centre of the park philosophy is the worst thing in the world. It's clearly not worked with Tiote/Cabaye for ages. There's no doubt Cabaye would excel in a decent team, arguably built around him to an extent, but we're not that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 £25m is a class fee for someone who hasn’t consistently played well. Not that I’m blaming him, it’s obviously Pardew and his tactics. I like the idea of Cabaye and he's scored some vital goals but the reality is that it’ll never really work with Pardew here. Cabaye is good and he’ll go on to show it but if that £25m goes towards Aubameyang and a cheaper replacement, we'll cope. Won't miss those corners though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I'm not sure that a total change in our centre of the park philosophy is the worst thing in the world. It's clearly not worked with Tiote/Cabaye for ages. There's no doubt Cabaye would excel in a decent team, arguably built around him to an extent, but we're not that. I do think the midfield needs a shake up. Cabaye or no Cabaye, I don't think it works very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 If he goes we better start looking for a new RB as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I'm not sure that a total change in our centre of the park philosophy is the worst thing in the world. It's clearly not worked with Tiote/Cabaye for ages. There's no doubt Cabaye would excel in a decent team, arguably built around him to an extent, but we're not that. I do think the midfield needs a shake up. Cabaye or no Cabaye, I don't think it works very well. Agree and think the presence of Cabaye (under Pardew at least) influences that. He's a nice technical player but he's not got much presence, doesn't score that many goals, doesn't create all that much and doesn't drive a team forward. If you surround him with players who can dominate then he'd look immense but as it is he looks lost more often than not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Personally I don't think we'll be able to sign a better midfielder and will certainly suffer badly for losing him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 £25m is a class fee for someone who hasn’t consistently played well. Not that I’m blaming him, it’s obviously Pardew and his tactics. No, it's just far easier and more optimistic to blame tactics. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Cabaye is genuine quality man, there's absolutely no disputing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Personally I don't think we'll be able to sign a better midfielder and will certainly suffer badly for losing him. We won't but we might be able to find a more effective one and as a result a more balanced midfield. That is the best we can hope for anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 £25m is a class fee for someone who hasn’t consistently played well. Not that I’m blaming him, it’s obviously Pardew and his tactics. No, it's just far easier and more optimistic to blame tactics. Nah. It's just more correct, really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Cabaye is genuine quality man, there's absolutely no disputing that. He has genuine quality, yeah. His suitability to this league is questionable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 £25m is a class fee for someone who hasn’t consistently played well. Not that I’m blaming him, it’s obviously Pardew and his tactics. No, it's just far easier and more optimistic to blame tactics. Nah. It's just more correct, really. Like it's Pardew's fault his corners are dreadful and he won't make the runs required to support the attack? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Cabaye is genuine quality man, there's absolutely no disputing that. He has genuine quality, yeah. His suitability to this league is questionable. Fair enough, but I see him getting beaten with sticks like "is poor at tackling", "has no stamina" and "gives away too many fouls" in attempts to prove this point. The first two are absolutely laughable and can be disputed with stats if people's eyes aren't capable of seeing it in the first place, while the latter is hardly the problem it is made out to be at times for someone in his position. I'll admit his corners are very poor for someone of such technique but other than that I think he's been a diamond in what he's been asked to do in this team, he's not playing his game at all and he's still been impressive in the main. I'd argue he's our most technically proficient player overall and I'll be gutted if he goes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I've never beaten him with the tackling stick. It's his mobility, dribbling, presence going forward and consistency I have issues with. I do think he fades pretty badly after 70 minutes, like. For the record I do want to keep him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 £25m is a class fee for someone who hasn’t consistently played well. Not that I’m blaming him, it’s obviously Pardew and his tactics. No, it's just far easier and more optimistic to blame tactics. Nah. It's just more correct, really. Like it's Pardew's fault his corners are dreadful and he won't make the runs required to support the attack? Pardew sure isn't at fault for his poor corners. He should tell someone else to take them, though. In any case, that's not something that makes him a bad fit for Premier League. When it comes to his play, we can't be sure what Pardew tells him to do. I'm sure he'd make runs to support the attack if that was what he'd been told to. Cabaye has got that part of the game in him. He has shown that in France. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Why did he score so few goals in France then, penalties excluded? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Think of Cabaye goes there could well be something in the Leroy Fer rumours - be a very dynamic midfield 3 with him, Sissoko and Anita/Tiote in there. Is dynamic a new word for no creativity? Cabaye was credited with 2 assists this season, hasn't been the creative force you might imagine. I just think if you have a midfield section with plenty of pace and power you free up more time and space for HBA and hopefully someone like PEA to provide the creativity. I think Cabaye is a very intelligent player, he just doesn't really fit into an English team too well. He doesn't seem to like getting forward or making runs into the box, so he ends up playing behind Tiote which is fine for spraying around nice passes, but he's not a good tackler so ends up making lot of messy fouls when he's playing in that position. Maybe a different manager could set the team up to use him like a continental side would, that's the frustrating thing about Pardew, we'll just never know while he's here. TRon is absolutely right here, like. I appreciate you may have glossed over that bit like and focused on the "getting forward" part. Agree with the 70 minutes thing as well, but I assume that's because at that point of the game he's already covered more ground than most players do in the 90 given the amount of closing down and harrying he is expected to do in his role. As I've posted before in this thread, he covered more ground than anyone else in the league on a game-by-game basis in his debut season, while also making the most tackles in the division overall. I may be being a bit overly-protective of him here while placing more than the fair share of the blame at Pardew's feet, but there are good reasons for that. Like I've said, I consider him the most complete footballer on our books (although it's a toss-up between him and Coloccini) and from what we've seen of him away from the field in the various French features he seems an absolute professional with his extra fitness training, learning the language so quickly, convincing others to come, etc. All of this, added to his general ability and apparent leadership role in the dressing room, make him someone I'd be devastated to lose. I still think there's hope for Tiote too like, so what do I know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 I appreciate you may have glossed over that bit like and focused on the "getting forward" part. Yeah I completely did. I actually think his tackling is OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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