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ALAN PARDEW always speaks highly about the rewards of hard work at Newcastle United.

 

And it would appear this approach is paying dividends – not least for his engine-room duo of Yohan Cabaye and Cheick Tiote.

 

The pair have emerged as two of the Premier League’s hardest working players.

 

Tiote and Cabaye stand out in the EA Sports Premier League Index as the second and third hardest-working players in the Premier League, having covered 72.12km and 71.85km respectively in the league so far, behind only Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey.

 

Cabaye was the Newcastle United player to cover the most ground (12,106m/7.52miles) against Blackburn, followed by Tiote (11,612m/7.22miles) and Ryan Taylor (10,673m/6.63miles).

 

In the old gold corner awaits Wolverhampton Wanderers midfield battler Karl Henry, who clashed with Joey Barton in the corresponding fixture last season.

 

And Henry was one of the hardest workers for Mick McCarthy’s side during the 2-1 loss at Liverpool.

 

Henry was the Wolves player to cover the most ground (11,715m/7.28miles) against Liverpool, followed by Jamie O’Hara (10,979m/6.82miles) and Matthew Jarvis (10,828m/6.73miles).

 

Read More http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/09/29/stats-highlight-hardworking-magpies-midfield-72703-29506160/#ixzz1ZLagPdjr

 

Think Ryder is becoming a bit obssessed with these EA Sports stats, but that is impressive nontheless.  Dreamboat  :smitten:

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ALAN PARDEW always speaks highly about the rewards of hard work at Newcastle United.

 

And it would appear this approach is paying dividends – not least for his engine-room duo of Yohan Cabaye and Cheick Tiote.

 

The pair have emerged as two of the Premier League’s hardest working players.

 

Tiote and Cabaye stand out in the EA Sports Premier League Index as the second and third hardest-working players in the Premier League, having covered 72.12km and 71.85km respectively in the league so far, behind only Arsenal's Aaron Ramsey.

 

Cabaye was the Newcastle United player to cover the most ground (12,106m/7.52miles) against Blackburn, followed by Tiote (11,612m/7.22miles) and Ryan Taylor (10,673m/6.63miles).

 

In the old gold corner awaits Wolverhampton Wanderers midfield battler Karl Henry, who clashed with Joey Barton in the corresponding fixture last season.

 

And Henry was one of the hardest workers for Mick McCarthy’s side during the 2-1 loss at Liverpool.

 

Henry was the Wolves player to cover the most ground (11,715m/7.28miles) against Liverpool, followed by Jamie O’Hara (10,979m/6.82miles) and Matthew Jarvis (10,828m/6.73miles).

 

Read More http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2011/09/29/stats-highlight-hardworking-magpies-midfield-72703-29506160/#ixzz1ZLagPdjr

 

Think Ryder is becoming a bit obssessed with these EA Sports stats, but that is impressive nontheless.  Dreamboat  :smitten:

 

:smitten: I do appreciate stats from time to time but most of them are a load of bollocks unfortunately.

 

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Statistics are generally only any use to support a common view or observation that people have made. When people try to use statistics to argue against what is obvious to anybody that has eyes is irritating as fuck. If I've just watched a player play shite then I don't give a fuck what his tackle/pass/interception percentage is, he's still played shite.

 

Stats in a fluid game like football will never be as much use as in other sports, they're just not suitable for a large amount of the time. And they should always, always fall a long way behind direct viewing of a game/player in terms of relevance.

 

Good article here:

 

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2011/09/lies-damned-lies-raul-meireles/

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Statistics are generally only any use to support a common view or observation that people have made. When people try to use statistics to argue against what is obvious to anybody that has eyes is irritating as f***. If I've just watched a player play s**** then I don't give a f*** what his tackle/pass/interception percentage is, he's still played s****.

 

Stats in a fluid game like football will never be as much use as in other sports, they're just not suitable for a large amount of the time. And they should always, always fall a long way behind direct viewing of a game/player in terms of relevance.

 

Good article here:

 

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2011/09/lies-damned-lies-raul-meireles/

 

My feelings exactly.

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Statistics are generally only any use to support a common view or observation that people have made. When people try to use statistics to argue against what is obvious to anybody that has eyes is irritating as f***. If I've just watched a player play s**** then I don't give a f*** what his tackle/pass/interception percentage is, he's still played s****.

 

Stats in a fluid game like football will never be as much use as in other sports, they're just not suitable for a large amount of the time. And they should always, always fall a long way behind direct viewing of a game/player in terms of relevance.

 

Good article here:

 

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2011/09/lies-damned-lies-raul-meireles/

 

My feelings exactly.

 

For example if I've just watched say Xavi absolutely boss a game and then see his ludicrous stats, it's impressive because it's positively reflecting/supporting the performance I've just seen.

 

However if I've just watched a player spend 90 minutes struggling to influence a game, getting overran, barely noticable etc but then see he has a high passing statistic or something it means absolutely fuck all.

 

Similarly if I haven't seen a game, any statistics shown afterwards mean basically nothing to me. They aren't being combined with anything I've actually  seen and as such are just data that isn't relective of anything in particular.

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Statistics are generally only any use to support a common view or observation that people have made. When people try to use statistics to argue against what is obvious to anybody that has eyes is irritating as f***. If I've just watched a player play s**** then I don't give a f*** what his tackle/pass/interception percentage is, he's still played s****.

 

Stats in a fluid game like football will never be as much use as in other sports, they're just not suitable for a large amount of the time. And they should always, always fall a long way behind direct viewing of a game/player in terms of relevance.

 

Good article here:

 

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2011/09/lies-damned-lies-raul-meireles/

 

My feelings exactly.

 

For example if I've just watched say Xavi absolutely boss a game and then see his ludicrous stats, it's impressive because it's positively reflecting/supporting the performance I've just seen.

 

However if I've just watched a player spend 90 minutes struggling to influence a game, getting overran, barely noticable etc but then see he has a high passing statistic or something it means absolutely f*** all.

 

Similarly if I haven't seen a game, any statistics shown afterwards mean basically nothing to me. They aren't being combined with anything I've actually  seen and as such are just data that isn't relective of anything in particular.

 

The Joey Barton one from Sunday was a load of bollocks like :lol: Meant fuck all.

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Statistics are generally only any use to support a common view or observation that people have made. When people try to use statistics to argue against what is obvious to anybody that has eyes is irritating as f***. If I've just watched a player play s**** then I don't give a f*** what his tackle/pass/interception percentage is, he's still played s****.

 

Stats in a fluid game like football will never be as much use as in other sports, they're just not suitable for a large amount of the time. And they should always, always fall a long way behind direct viewing of a game/player in terms of relevance.

 

Good article here:

 

http://www.theanfieldwrap.com/2011/09/lies-damned-lies-raul-meireles/

 

My feelings exactly.

 

For example if I've just watched say Xavi absolutely boss a game and then see his ludicrous stats, it's impressive because it's positively reflecting/supporting the performance I've just seen.

 

However if I've just watched a player spend 90 minutes struggling to influence a game, getting overran, barely noticable etc but then see he has a high passing statistic or something it means absolutely fuck all.

 

Similarly if I haven't seen a game, any statistics shown afterwards mean basically nothing to me. They aren't being combined with anything I've actually  seen and as such are just data that isn't relective of anything in particular.

 

Carrick vs Basel for instance. Thought he dwelled on the ball too often and was too predictable in his passing, harming Man Utd's chances of playing a fluid one-touch system as they have earlier in the season, while the game passed him by defensively. Then some Man Utd fans on redcafe put up a stupid stat about him completing 97% of his passes as a way of saying he bossed the game.

 

stats outside of any sort of context are almost meaningless.

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Statistics are generally only any use to support a common view or observation that people have made. When people try to use statistics to argue against what is obvious to anybody that has eyes is irritating as f***. If I've just watched a player play s**** then I don't give a f*** what his tackle/pass/interception percentage is, he's still played s****.

 

Yeah, that's complete and utter s***.  If a player stands out notably in an area of their game, which they are expected to contribute greatly to and that is backed up by statistics then they have done a good job.

 

Good example was Ameobi's cameo a few games back when he got slated by almost everybody.  Then a quick check after the game on his passing showed just how well he'd both retained the ball and moved us up the pitch. 

 

People are just missing depth and context.  Good statistic use is good.

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Absolutely agree, even as a guy who loves his stats, first port of call is actually looking at the performance to see how well a player played then you go to stats etc. Pass completion rate can often be highly misleading as short balls back to defence done frequently will drive this up for a midfielder.

 

Why I like chalkboards and such that will demonstrate where players pass too. If you see where Cabaye passes, he's positive, passes forward and passes into the box into dangerous positions when possible, and if you watch him on pitch, he's a class act.

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Va Va Toon! Midfielder Cabaye is destined to be a big hit at Newcastle

 

Yohan Cabaye went back to school on Thursday night. It was a lecture theatre at Newcastle University to be precise, and the start of a course of English lessons with his wife, Fiona.

Also suffering first night nerves and mingling among the students were his Newcastle team-mates Demba Ba, Sylvain Marveaux and their partners.

 

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Sitting pretty: Yohan Cabaye has settled in quickly at Newcastle

 

The language barrier has had its advantages for Cabaye since he made his Barclays Premier League debut against Arsenal on the opening day of the season.

 

The former Lille midfielder and his new central partner Cheik Tiote, an Ivory Coast international, have communicated in pidgin French in the six games they have played together, much to the bemusement of their opponents and amusement of their manager.

But, with seven French speaking players in his squad, Alan Pardew has actually banned them speaking the language around the training ground.

If he hears a word of it on the pitches, in the dressing room, round the canteen or even from the table tennis room, the players are fined.

 

Back in June, on the day he signed for Newcastle, and long before Pardew had imposed these strict rules, Cabaye had decided his first priority was to learn English.

In fact, pull up alongside his car and you will see an international footballer merrily chatting away to himself behind the wheel . It is al l thanks to advice from Lille's fitness coach Gregory Dupont.

'On the first day I arrived I only knew the basics,' Cabaye said. 'It was like schoolboy English. I could only say hello and goodbye or ask very simple questions.

'Gregory told me to get some language CDs and put them on in the car. He told me it worked for him and although he is back at Lille now, when he was at Celtic he was the same as me. He was there for two years and now he is nearly perfect in English and he can also read English books.

 

'I also tried to put myself in someone else's shoes. If a foreign player came to France I would appreciate him making the effort to learn the language. As soon as I signed we found a home so we could settle in quickly and wouldn't have to live in a hotel. I like the northern mentality. It is a nice warm environment, similar to Lille.'

So would he expect Joe Cole to do the same now he has moved to Cabaye's beloved Lille, where he spent more than a decade as man and boy?

It is one of the few questions Cabaye is confident enough to answer without the interpreter and in the English he has picked up since his £4.6million move from the French champions .

 

'I think he knows a few words already,' he said. 'But he will need to learn French to communicate with all the squad. It is a tight group at Lille and they all get on really well, so it would be good for him to integrate with the squad.

'He will do well there. He is in a team which really wants to play football, he is a good technical player, so he should settle in very well. They have not started winning yet but he scored a beautiful goal last week. I am sure he will bring all his quality and experience to the team.'

 

Quality and experience. Cabaye has it in abundance, and while the sales of Kevin Nolan and Joey Barton caused much consternation among the Newcastle support, the arrival and early impact of the 25-year-old has more than compensated for their loss.

He can tackle, he can pass and he can certainly shoot. Shay Given's hands are still warm from the 25-yard strike the midfielder unleashed in the final minute at Villa Park two weeks ago.

'I knew the name and I knew he was a good goalkeeper,' Cabaye said. 'But it was a very good save.

'I like to shoot from long distances and I like to score goals. I am pretty sure my first goal will come soon.'

Cabaye was brought up in the northern town of Tourcoing near the Belgian border, in a house obsessed with football. His grandfather played for Tourcoing FC - the team Yohan joined aged six before he was snapped up, aged 12, by Lille's academy.

 

His father Didier also had a spell as player and coach with Tourcoing after his dream of reaching the top flight with Lens was ended when he suffered a double leg fracture, aged just 17.

There is also his younger brother Geoffrey, banker by day and footballer in his spare time. The midfielder - left footed to Yohan's right - is playing in the French fifth division with Croix.

 

Cabaye said: 'My mother Louisa was the only one in our family who did not play football, but she loves football. And it's just as well.

'We played almost every day and then every weekend when I was younger. My brother would have his matches on a Saturday afternoon and then my father was my coach and we would go to  our games on a Sunday. My dad was never too pushy. He just encouraged us.

 

'Because he played and he was a coach, he always knows when I have had a bad game. If I have played badly, I don't ask him what he thinks because he knows how I am feeling. I like to think I am living his dream. The dream for all of us is for me to play in the same team as my brother. I keep telling him to work hard.'

Not even a French league and cup double and return to the Champions League could persuade Cabaye to stay with Lille for an additional season once Pardew and Newcastle came calling.

'I wanted to discover the Premier League and see if I could play here,' he explained. 'Newcastle were the only club to offer me the opportunity.

'It is a great club and for me that was enough. I believe we can get Newcastle back into Europe.'

So what did Newcastle United mean to Cabaye before June?

'David Ginola,' he says and he beams. 'I can just remember watching him when I was a kid and he played against Manchester United and scored when Newcastle won 5-0.'

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2043436/Yohan-Cabaye-destined-hit-Newcastle.html#ixzz1ZQMBYIOh

 

 

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Statistics are generally only any use to support a common view or observation that people have made. When people try to use statistics to argue against what is obvious to anybody that has eyes is irritating as f***. If I've just watched a player play s**** then I don't give a f*** what his tackle/pass/interception percentage is, he's still played s****.

 

Yeah, that's complete and utter s***.  If a player stands out notably in an area of their game, which they are expected to contribute greatly to and that is backed up by statistics then they have done a good job.

 

Good example was Ameobi's cameo a few games back when he got slated by almost everybody.  Then a quick check after the game on his passing showed just how well he'd both retained the ball and moved us up the pitch. 

 

People are just missing depth and context.  Good statistic use is good.

 

But Ameobi's passing statistics from that game didn't reflect anything or prove that he moved us up the pitch at all. It's just data and without being combined with context from the actual game it means fuck all. Like that article I posted explains, not all completed passes are good passes and similarly not all 'completed' tackles are good tackles. Without context, stats in football are meaningless. The game is simply too fluid with too many permutations.

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Statistics are generally only any use to support a common view or observation that people have made. When people try to use statistics to argue against what is obvious to anybody that has eyes is irritating as f***. If I've just watched a player play s**** then I don't give a f*** what his tackle/pass/interception percentage is, he's still played s****.

 

Yeah, that's complete and utter s***.  If a player stands out notably in an area of their game, which they are expected to contribute greatly to and that is backed up by statistics then they have done a good job.

 

Good example was Ameobi's cameo a few games back when he got slated by almost everybody.  Then a quick check after the game on his passing showed just how well he'd both retained the ball and moved us up the pitch. 

 

People are just missing depth and context.  Good statistic use is good.

 

But Ameobi's passing statistics from that game didn't reflect anything or prove that he moved us up the pitch at all. It's just data and without being combined with context from the actual game it means f*** all. Like that article I posted explains, not all completed passes are good passes and similarly not all 'completed' tackles are good tackles. Without context, stats in football are meaningless. The game is simply too fluid with too many permutations.

 

Nope.  The chalkboard showed that when he was in possession he retained it 90%(ish) of the time, with a majority of passes going forward, mainly to the left flank.  It was exactly what he was brought on to do and he did it well.

 

And I said in my last post about context and depth, so we kind of agree?

 

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