kingxlnc Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: Dalglish was horrific - and the amount of money he had is grossly under-estimated - he spent £30million between the summer of 97 and 98. Which was more than Keegan spent in 96 on Tino, Batty and Shearer which was the only real splurge. Only Given, Pearce and Dabizas that he signed and played under him were good. Speed was poor until Gullit came in. Serrant, Georgiadis, Tomasson, Guivarch, Andersson, Rush, Pinas, his son and Perez were inexcusably rotten signings. As was the football played and the games and riddles in interviews. Don't even dislike him but he was utterly s**t for us. He signed Solano and Hamann too, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 1 minute ago, kingxlnc said: He signed Solano and Hamann too, right? Solano never played for him. Just my opinion but I don't think of Hamman as a good signing just decent, was not an improvement anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted February 21, 2022 Share Posted February 21, 2022 Hamann was great, wish he'd stayed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 Going from Keegan to Dalglish was always going to feel more defensive, but the football was shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 4 hours ago, Wolfcastle said: Dalglish was horrific - and the amount of money he had is grossly under-estimated - he spent £30million between the summer of 97 and 98. Which was more than Keegan spent in 96 on Tino, Batty and Shearer which was the only real splurge. Only Given, Pearce and Dabizas that he signed and played under him were good. Speed was poor until Gullit came in. Serrant, Georgiadis, Tomasson, Guivarch, Andersson, Rush, Pinas, his son and Perez were inexcusably rotten signings. As was the football played and the games and riddles in interviews. Don't even dislike him but he was utterly s**t for us. 30million, even then, wasn't a great deal to replace Shearer, Ferdinand, Ginola, Beardsley, Steve Howey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) Can't hate Dalglish like. Baffles me how bad it went, even allowing for the massive disruption of losing Shearer, Ferdinand, Ginola, Beardsley, obviously was a failure, but here's clearly quality, and he took us to a cup final and had one of our most famous nights in history. Also as said, some key signings that went onto be important part of Bobby team. Regarding the shit ones, was he not obliged to sign some filler to an extent due to our lack of a reserve team? Perez was a second or third choice keeper who never played a game, so not really sure why that one gets highlighted. Tomasson in hindsight seems like a good signing that was let go too quickly - and relied on too much too quickly due to loss of Shearer. Edited February 22, 2022 by Inferior Acuña Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 I remember Tommassons first game and he missed an easy chance - always thought if that had gone in if things would have been different for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 It wasn't Tomasson's fault, but I think the notion he 'proved us wrong' is a bit misleading. After us he went back to Holland, scored goals just as he had prior to joining us, and then used that form to move to Milan on a fee transfer. He only really had one good season there in front of goal there and that coincided with a league title. If you look at the totality of his career he never proved himself to be anything more than a 1 in 3 man at best in a top European league. There's nothing wrong with that, but he wasn't quite as pedigreed as some would believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, madras said: 30million, even then, wasn't a great deal to replace Shearer, Ferdinand, Ginola, Beardsley, Steve Howey. He had Howey, Sir Bobby sold him years later and he chose to sell Ginola and Beardsley. Ferdinand was more a PLC decision (that money was then wasted on Andersson and Guivarch). In the same time-frame and on less Arsenal won the league and Chelsea 3cups and sailed past us - both were previously behind us. Not actually sure if anybody spent more. Would have took a Hendy, a Pires/Collins (for Ginola) and 1good instead of 3woeful forwards. Keegan built the team that nearly won the league - Ginola, Hislop, Gillespie, Barton and Ferdinand on the sales of Cole, Venison, Mathie, Neilson, Fox and Sellars almost to the penny. Edited February 22, 2022 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 There was no real good reason to dismantle the team, despite selling Sir Les for "PLC" reasons i think all of that was a load of bullshit. Tommason was a good signing and should have been properly groomed under Big Al and/or Sir Les. Ginola should never have been sold for any good reason either and Dalglish for all of his credentials should have known better. I blame Kenny a lot - because he came in with a phenomenal resume and did fuck all with those credentials. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Wolfcastle said: He had Howey, Sir Bobby sold him years later and he chose to sell Ginola and Beardsley. Ferdinand was more a PLC decision (that money was then wasted on Andersson and Guivarch). In the same time-frame and on less Arsenal won the league and Chelsea 3cups and sailed past us - both were previously behind us. Not actually sure if anybody spent more. Would have took a Hendy, a Pires/Collins (for Ginola) and 1good instead of 3woeful forwards. Keegan built the team that nearly won the league - Ginola, Hislop, Gillespie, Barton and Ferdinand on the sales of Cole, Venison, Mathie, Neilson, Fox and Sellars almost to the penny. Yes he had Howey but he'd started picking up regular injuries that was to dog the rest of his career, Shearer got a long term injury, Ginola had his head turned by Barce and wanted out when he couldn't get that. Beardsley wasn't what he had been. Andersson was a stop gap due to Shearers injury and yes Arsenal built a great team for less.....does that mean every other manager that spent more and won less was rubbish ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 20 minutes ago, Kanji said: There was no real good reason to dismantle the team, despite selling Sir Les for "PLC" reasons i think all of that was a load of bullshit. Tommason was a good signing and should have been properly groomed under Big Al and/or Sir Les. Ginola should never have been sold for any good reason either and Dalglish for all of his credentials should have known better. I blame Kenny a lot - because he came in with a phenomenal resume and did fuck all with those credentials. The dismantling was down to age (Beardsley), recurring injuries (Howey), long-term injury (Shearer), Want away (Ginola). IIRC Albert was picking up regular injuries as well. Didn't Asprilla spend a long time.e.out also ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, madras said: The dismantling was down to age (Beardsley), recurring injuries (Howey), long-term injury (Shearer), Want away (Ginola). IIRC Albert was picking up regular injuries as well. Didn't Asprilla spend a long time.e.out also ? Robson who sold Howey, IIRC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 That said, if he was selling players due to their age (Beardsley), then why replace him/them with Rush, Barnes and Pearce? Genuine question, I was about 7 at the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeB Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mr Raspberry Jam said: That said, if he was selling players due to their age (Beardsley), then why replace him/them with Rush, Barnes and Pearce? Genuine question, I was about 7 at the time We didn't have a reserve team towards the end of KK's time here so I got the sense that those signings were to add a bit of depth and experience to the squad. Players who had experience winning things, which most/all of our squad didn't. After Dalgleish got us up to second it felt like this was supposed to be getting us ready for another title challenge. That and probably a bit of giving a few of his pals a final pay day. I don't think any of them were supposed to play as much as they did, mind. Pearce was steady, Barnes ended up our top scorer and Rush was abysmal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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madras Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 33 minutes ago, Mr Raspberry Jam said: That said, if he was selling players due to their age (Beardsley), then why replace him/them with Rush, Barnes and Pearce? Genuine question, I was about 7 at the time Rush was brought in to play centre forward in response to Shearer and Asprilla injuries. Barnes and Pearce owe us nowt. It won't just age it was that Beardsleys legs were going. He only played half of Boltons games and wasn't great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 40 minutes ago, Mr Raspberry Jam said: Robson who sold Howey, IIRC. I never said he didn't. Howey was never the same injury wise from about the time Keegan left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Is the Ginger Pirlo on twitter @Theregulars? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted February 26, 2022 Share Posted February 26, 2022 Sadly not, I don't use Twitter! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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