AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I just don't think he's ideal for the left side of the 4-3-3, obviously he can do a job and he has served the team well. I wonder if we're looking for someone a but more zippy and direct for that role, like a Bellamy or Sturridge type. I don't want Ba to leave though, as I said we should negotiate with him as much as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I would like us to play 4-3-3 next season, and tbh we'll be a better team with someone else at LW. Wouldn't be too bothered if he left as long as we get someone else for the money. Agreed I got raped on here for saying such things a couple of weeks ago Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Having said all this, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Llambias is actually looking for him to go. He's 27 in a couple of weeks, that £7m or whatever looks a lot nicer when you consider we didn't pay a fee for him and we've got Cisse now. There's also still the potential knee thing which is an ongoing risk. I can easily imagine the money men fancying themselves to make another unpopular decision and coming out smelling of roses. Just got to hope they can trade up again if this is the case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 am i the only one who thinks he can do a very good job on the left of a 4-3-3? in the last few games hes been poor, but i think thats just a confidence issue. before that he looked really good there and brought a lot of quality to the team. You're not alone. He was a pivotal cog in that 4-3-3 formation that saw us go on a 6 match winning run. Anybody advocating selling him (by choice) needs their heads checked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Having said all this, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Llambias is actually looking for him to go. He's 27 in a couple of weeks, that £7m or whatever looks a lot nicer when you consider we didn't pay a fee for him and we've got Cisse now. There's also still the potential knee thing which is an ongoing risk. I can easily imagine the money men fancying themselves to do make another unpopular decision and coming out smelling of roses. Just got to hope they can trade up again if this is the case. Fair point actually, it would a decision that was arguably correct if we had a striker signing lined up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Having said all this, I wouldn't be surprised one bit if Llambias is actually looking for him to go. He's 27 in a couple of weeks, that £7m or whatever looks a lot nicer when you consider we didn't pay a fee for him and we've got Cisse now. There's also still the potential knee thing which is an ongoing risk. I can easily imagine the money men fancying themselves to do make another unpopular decision and coming out smelling of roses. Just got to hope they can trade up again if this is the case. I see your point, however from that reported 7 million we would supposedly only get half. Also, his reported wages are quite low compared to other 15+ goal a season forwards. I cannot see us replacing him with a player of similar quality without having to shell out significantly more on transfer fees, signing fees and wages. He has a contract for another 2 years, so if we are even thinking along those lines, why not do it next summer? Of course, all this is from our perspective. If the clause rumours are true we may not have a choice, but that's a completely different discussion which I think may be influencing people's thought process regarding our summer plans.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He played in all of our 4-3-3 victories and I for one would be devastated if we sold him, 16 goals in half a season was no fluke and I think it was more ACON after affects than formation or Cisse signing that hurt his game. he played, and everyone has been saying how he doesn't look fit or happy. as the seasons went on he's looked less happy so i guess it'll come down to his happiness as opposed to anything we do. i don't want us busting the bank to keep a player who may not suit our preferred formation and has injury worries. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 The link up play between Ba, Cisse and HBA against West Brom was nothing short of sublime, no doubt at all he can effectively play there but it has to be in a fluid setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Not sure I can grasp the logic behind being not arsed about proven Premier League goalscorers walking away. It's as if they are really easy to come across. We've done really fucking well to have two on our books and it's one of the main reasons we have a massive advantage on everybody else in the league. We should be doing everything possible to keep all our best players together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Meh, I trust the club to make the right decision in this sort of situation. Most of the factors involved in deciding whether to renegotiate his contract or allow him to leave are psychological/emotional, so it's impossible for us to make an accurate assessment from the outside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Meh, I trust the club to make the right decision in this sort of situations. Most of the factors involved would be psychological/emotional, so it's impossible for us to make an accurate assessment from the outside. it may not be the clubs decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He played in all of our 4-3-3 victories and I for one would be devastated if we sold him, 16 goals in half a season was no fluke and I think it was more ACON after affects than formation or Cisse signing that hurt his game. he played, and everyone has been saying how he doesn't look fit or happy. as the seasons went on he's looked less happy so i guess it'll come down to his happiness as opposed to anything we do. i don't want us busting the bank to keep a player who may not suit our preferred formation and has injury worries. If he's not happy why would he entertain the idea of a new contract (which I think is where you're going at with the "busting the bank to keep a player..." statement?), or even come out inviting interested parties to trigger the supposed release clause? As far as I am concerned Pardew is doing the right thing: try to make him feel wanted and committed to the club. If it fails and he leaves (which isn't unlikely unfortunately), by all means move on and try to make us a stronger team by getting in a replacement better suited to the wide role in 4-3-2, but until then why would we be actively trying to get rid of one of the best forwards in the past Premiership season who we got for free on a relatively low wage? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He played in all of our 4-3-3 victories and I for one would be devastated if we sold him, 16 goals in half a season was no fluke and I think it was more ACON after affects than formation or Cisse signing that hurt his game. he played, and everyone has been saying how he doesn't look fit or happy. as the seasons went on he's looked less happy so i guess it'll come down to his happiness as opposed to anything we do. i don't want us busting the bank to keep a player who may not suit our preferred formation and has injury worries. If he's not happy why would he entertain the idea of a new contract (which I think is where you're going at with the "busting the bank to keep a player..." statement?), or even come out inviting interested parties to trigger the supposed release clause? As far as I am concerned Pardew is doing the right thing: try to make him feel wanted and committed to the club. If it fails and he leaves (which isn't unlikely unfortunately), by all means move on and try to make us a stronger team by getting in a replacement better suited to the wide role in 4-3-2, but until then why would we be actively trying to get rid of one of the best forwards in the past Premiership season who we got for free on a relatively low wage? i'm not actively trying to get rid of him, i've said a couple of times of my last few posts that I want him to stay, but that I think he'll choose otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 when Cisse gets injured, what other finisher have we got (other than Ba)? we need to negotiate a new contract for the boy with the clause taken out. he signed a 3 year contract, 2 years left now, makes perfect sense to start talking with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Meh, I trust the club to make the right decision in this sort of situations. Most of the factors involved would be psychological/emotional, so it's impossible for us to make an accurate assessment from the outside. it may not be the clubs decision. They do have the option of giving him a new, more lucrative deal that could convince him to stay, possibly with assurances of first-team football. Up to them to decide whether that's wise or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 It's mad. He'd easily score 20+ for most teams given a full season as main striker, it just so happens that we have Cissé who could score 25+ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Meh, I trust the club to make the right decision in this sort of situations. Most of the factors involved would be psychological/emotional, so it's impossible for us to make an accurate assessment from the outside. it may not be the clubs decision. They do have the option of giving him a new, more lucrative deal that could convince him to stay, possibly with assurances of first-team football. Up to them to decide whether that's wise or not. no-one should have a contract that ensures them first team football anmd i wouldn't want him being unhappy for a footballing reason but the cash making him stay. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 I think with a new full tank of gas and a preaseason to work with Cisse the partnership will come good. In 2 up top or part of a 3 man forward line. Just my 2 cents, I think the Sunderland penalty miss and the fact he looked like was on empty post ACON knackered his confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He played in all of our 4-3-3 victories and I for one would be devastated if we sold him, 16 goals in half a season was no fluke and I think it was more ACON after affects than formation or Cisse signing that hurt his game. he played, and everyone has been saying how he doesn't look fit or happy. as the seasons went on he's looked less happy so i guess it'll come down to his happiness as opposed to anything we do. i don't want us busting the bank to keep a player who may not suit our preferred formation and has injury worries. If he's not happy why would he entertain the idea of a new contract (which I think is where you're going at with the "busting the bank to keep a player..." statement?), or even come out inviting interested parties to trigger the supposed release clause? As far as I am concerned Pardew is doing the right thing: try to make him feel wanted and committed to the club. If it fails and he leaves (which isn't unlikely unfortunately), by all means move on and try to make us a stronger team by getting in a replacement better suited to the wide role in 4-3-2, but until then why would we be actively trying to get rid of one of the best forwards in the past Premiership season who we got for free on a relatively low wage? i'm not actively trying to get rid of him, i've said a couple of times of my last few posts that I want him to stay, but that I think he'll choose otherwise. Wasn't aimed at you specifically that last point.. However, I still fail to understand your breaking the bank/happiness argument. He's tied down to us, isn't he? It appears whether the wil be here come the 1st of September is not completely in our control (if the release clause rumour is true), but why should we not do everything in our power to keep him happy and committed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Meh, I trust the club to make the right decision in this sort of situations. Most of the factors involved would be psychological/emotional, so it's impossible for us to make an accurate assessment from the outside. it may not be the clubs decision. They do have the option of giving him a new, more lucrative deal that could convince him to stay, possibly with assurances of first-team football. Up to them to decide whether that's wise or not. no-one should have a contract that ensures them first team football anmd i wouldn't want him being unhappy at a tactical thing but the cash making him stay. Well, yeah. But if the club do decide to throw more money at him I'll trust that they're made a reasonable decision based on what they know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He played in all of our 4-3-3 victories and I for one would be devastated if we sold him, 16 goals in half a season was no fluke and I think it was more ACON after affects than formation or Cisse signing that hurt his game. he played, and everyone has been saying how he doesn't look fit or happy. as the seasons went on he's looked less happy so i guess it'll come down to his happiness as opposed to anything we do. i don't want us busting the bank to keep a player who may not suit our preferred formation and has injury worries. If he's not happy why would he entertain the idea of a new contract (which I think is where you're going at with the "busting the bank to keep a player..." statement?), or even come out inviting interested parties to trigger the supposed release clause? As far as I am concerned Pardew is doing the right thing: try to make him feel wanted and committed to the club. If it fails and he leaves (which isn't unlikely unfortunately), by all means move on and try to make us a stronger team by getting in a replacement better suited to the wide role in 4-3-2, but until then why would we be actively trying to get rid of one of the best forwards in the past Premiership season who we got for free on a relatively low wage? i'm not actively trying to get rid of him, i've said a couple of times of my last few posts that I want him to stay, but that I think he'll choose otherwise. Wasn't aimed at you specifically that last point.. However, I still fail to understand your breaking the bank/happiness argument. He's tied down to us, isn't he? It appears whether the wil be here come the 1st of September is not completely in our control (if the release clause rumour is true), but why should we not do everything in our power to keep him happy and committed? as i just posted, if a players not happy for footballing reasons then i don't want him staying just for the cash. I'm not too sold on him and cisse in a front 3, it might work but i'm not sure, if ba thinks not that's what'll see him leave imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He played in all of our 4-3-3 victories and I for one would be devastated if we sold him, 16 goals in half a season was no fluke and I think it was more ACON after affects than formation or Cisse signing that hurt his game. he played, and everyone has been saying how he doesn't look fit or happy. as the seasons went on he's looked less happy so i guess it'll come down to his happiness as opposed to anything we do. i don't want us busting the bank to keep a player who may not suit our preferred formation and has injury worries. If he's not happy why would he entertain the idea of a new contract (which I think is where you're going at with the "busting the bank to keep a player..." statement?), or even come out inviting interested parties to trigger the supposed release clause? As far as I am concerned Pardew is doing the right thing: try to make him feel wanted and committed to the club. If it fails and he leaves (which isn't unlikely unfortunately), by all means move on and try to make us a stronger team by getting in a replacement better suited to the wide role in 4-3-2, but until then why would we be actively trying to get rid of one of the best forwards in the past Premiership season who we got for free on a relatively low wage? i'm not actively trying to get rid of him, i've said a couple of times of my last few posts that I want him to stay, but that I think he'll choose otherwise. Wasn't aimed at you specifically that last point.. However, I still fail to understand your breaking the bank/happiness argument. He's tied down to us, isn't he? It appears whether the wil be here come the 1st of September is not completely in our control (if the release clause rumour is true), but why should we not do everything in our power to keep him happy and committed? as i just posted, if a players not happy for footballing reasons then i don't want him staying just for the cash. I'm not too sold on him and cisse in a front 3, it might work but i'm not sure, if ba thinks not that's what'll see him leave imo. What makes you think he's unhappy for footballing reasons, when he's publicly stated the opposite? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 He played in all of our 4-3-3 victories and I for one would be devastated if we sold him, 16 goals in half a season was no fluke and I think it was more ACON after affects than formation or Cisse signing that hurt his game. he played, and everyone has been saying how he doesn't look fit or happy. as the seasons went on he's looked less happy so i guess it'll come down to his happiness as opposed to anything we do. i don't want us busting the bank to keep a player who may not suit our preferred formation and has injury worries. If he's not happy why would he entertain the idea of a new contract (which I think is where you're going at with the "busting the bank to keep a player..." statement?), or even come out inviting interested parties to trigger the supposed release clause? As far as I am concerned Pardew is doing the right thing: try to make him feel wanted and committed to the club. If it fails and he leaves (which isn't unlikely unfortunately), by all means move on and try to make us a stronger team by getting in a replacement better suited to the wide role in 4-3-2, but until then why would we be actively trying to get rid of one of the best forwards in the past Premiership season who we got for free on a relatively low wage? i'm not actively trying to get rid of him, i've said a couple of times of my last few posts that I want him to stay, but that I think he'll choose otherwise. Wasn't aimed at you specifically that last point.. However, I still fail to understand your breaking the bank/happiness argument. He's tied down to us, isn't he? It appears whether the wil be here come the 1st of September is not completely in our control (if the release clause rumour is true), but why should we not do everything in our power to keep him happy and committed? as i just posted, if a players not happy for footballing reasons then i don't want him staying just for the cash. I'm not too sold on him and cisse in a front 3, it might work but i'm not sure, if ba thinks not that's what'll see him leave imo. What makes you think he's unhappy for footballing reasons, when he's publicly stated the opposite? recent performances,pardews comments and players,when asked, always say they are happy, or even nothing wrong with the club (ie they haven't done anything wrong) but this current position isn't working. anyhow, we'll see by september. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Meh, I trust the club to make the right decision in this sort of situation. Most of the factors involved in deciding whether to renegotiate his contract or allow him to leave are psychological/emotional, so it's impossible for us to make an accurate assessment from the outside. I don't understand all this talk about "trusting the club". They've had one good year. Most of you wanted them hanged in public about a year and a half ago. If Ba leaves, he is one player that must be directly replaced by an experienced, proven professional. Best isn't good enough, Ameobi will not be fit for more than 60-70 percent of the season, and there will be Cup of Nations. Regardless of the formation, we need a known goalscorer behind Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 WTF should he be unhappy about seriously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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