Dyeyzzon Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Pards benched him simply because he was always going to need them rested for the European match in midweek. I'm sure he'd play both of them on the same team on any other schedule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 I'm fine with an angry Demb. Absolutely. I just think he's temperamental. If he is in a bad mood, it'll sometimes work against us and be irritating, but on other occasions it'll galvanise him - like it did last night. If he's in a good mood (which, tbf, has been the vast majority of the time), he's a real asset to the side. We all know his quality; it didn't just disappear. If Pardew manages to find a way to play him and Cisse together, it'll be fantastic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 "How could you put your best striker with full confidence on the left wing?" Yep. Because it was good for the team, that's 'how'. We were 5th before Ba got shunted out on the wing. We were hardly struggling. It was good for the team. I'm sick of this notion that Ba's got a right to moan about being played in any position and sulk, he's a professional footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 "How could you put your best striker with full confidence on the left wing?" Yep. Because it was good for the team, that's 'how'. We were 5th before Ba got shunted out on the wing. We were hardly struggling. Actually we was 7th and it got the best out of Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Jonas and we won 6 or 7 in a row, it was clearly what was best for the team at the time. What is best for the team is more important than what is important for one player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 The first goal was classic evidence of them being able to play together btw, two great runs to split the defence and give Cabaye an option. AYe, first thing that strikes me for that goal was the two offering different options and not going for the same ball. Was it them two ahead of Ben Arfa when Jones stupidly didn't give the advantage on the breakaway? That was just magnificent thinking - Benny in the middle and the two in wider positions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Actually we was 7th and it got the best out of Cisse, Ben Arfa, Cabaye and Jonas and we won 6 or 7 in a row, it was clearly what was best for the team at the time. What is best for the team is more important than what is important for one player. We were 5th after Villa where he started upfront, with Best, and scored. We went unbeaten in the league for 3 months with Ba upfront (and no Ben Arfa) too. It was good for the team. I'm sick of this notion that Ba's got a right to moan about being played in any position and sulk, he's a professional footballer. If I was in the form of my life I'd not want to be moved out of position. He deserved better than that after his first 6 months. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 For Fifty thopusand pounds a week- I would do what my manager thought was best and simply try my hardest. In fact Id probably do that for fifty thousand pounds a year tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 The thing that annoys is people say it like Ba was solely playing on the left for that period. That simply wasn't the case. He and Cisse swapped roles many times during games, just Cisse took his chances whereas Ba didn't. If Ba had scored regularly during that period this wouldn't be the issue that it has become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 so we all agree Agents are Cunts then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 The thing that annoys is people say it like Ba was solely playing on the left for that period. That simply wasn't the case. He and Cisse swapped roles many times during games, just Cisse took his chances whereas Ba didn't. If Ba had scored regularly during that period this wouldn't be the issue that it has become. Pretty much bang on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 The thing that annoys is people say it like Ba was solely playing on the left for that period. That simply wasn't the case. He and Cisse swapped roles many times during games, just Cisse took his chances whereas Ba didn't. If Ba had scored regularly during that period this wouldn't be the issue that it has become. The front 3 was constantly interchanging, said it before Ba's problem was confidence and fitness more than actually playing on the left. Also i'm aware we was 5th when we beat Villa but when we changed to 4-3-3 and went on that winning run we was 7th. Anyway it's not really the point, the club is more important than any one player and it was clear that at the time getting the best out of Cisse, Ben Arfa and Cabaye was better for the team than what was best for Ba. It's not like he was stuck out on the left wing all game with no freedom of movement anyway, he got into central positions consistently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 He was clearly demotivated by being moved and that sapped his sky high confidence. Only last night did he look back to his best when he was furious and determined to prove a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Also Agents need to be banned and then set on fire..... he was subbed once and we have 3 games in 6 days ffs. I don't see anyone getting on Ferguson's back when he benched Rooney or Mancini when he benched Silva. Stay out of it ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Also Agents need to be banned and then set on fire..... he was subbed once and we have 3 games in 6 days ffs. I don't see anyone getting on Ferguson's back when he benched Rooney or Mancini when he benched Silva. Stay out of it ffs. this- I dont know why pards didnt just come out and say- Bas too good to wear out playing in every game. so we are rotating, chopping and changing. hes not dropped, hes rested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 The thing that annoys is people say it like Ba was solely playing on the left for that period. That simply wasn't the case. He and Cisse swapped roles many times during games, just Cisse took his chances whereas Ba didn't. If Ba had scored regularly during that period that penalty at home to the mackems this wouldn't be the issue that it has become. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 we sure thats actually his agent this time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Wasn't he supposed to be offered a new. Ontract after his clause expired? Maybe that's what he alluded to about not being happy in recent weeks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 we sure thats actually his agent this time I think the agent is the agent that was featured in his documentary shown about a month ago, and, from what I saw, they seemed very close. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Its in his agents best interests that Ba's status stays high, nothing to surprising about his quotes. Bit ridic but wouldnt worry about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Its in his agents best interests that Ba's status stays high, nothing to surprising about his quotes. Bit ridic but wouldnt worry about it. its also in his agents interest not to make him look like a problem to managers. tbh, may have done us a favour in terms of keeping him here. dodgy knee, agitating agent, other managers mare. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Watching the second goal again I can't help thinking that if Distin was right footed he hooks it away. His attempt at clearing it with his left is a bit comical . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 PS Sewelly I saw this on Redcafe: Ba wasn't picked up because prior to arriving in England he was known as a train wreck both with injuries and attitude in Germany. It's fair enough taking a punt on a good lad like Owen, but with Ba he was just a nutcase. You better rip this cunt a new arsehole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 is "we was" instead of "we were" a geordie thing? heard shearer saying it a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 Definitely not a Geordie thing. I've only ever heard Cockneys say that. Curbishley and Pardew inparticular. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted September 18, 2012 Share Posted September 18, 2012 is "we was" instead of "we were" a geordie thing? heard shearer saying it a lot. It's more of a thick thing than a Geordie thing. For example "We woz robbed!" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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