Pilko Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 'A Demba Ba style target man' So, a target man who is absolutely not a target man in any way, then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenige Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 To be fair Ba won more than his fair share of headers and held the ball up much better than anyone else we've currently got at the club (except when Shola's playing his one good game in fifteen). The fact Cisse is so naive at bringing other players into the game really cost us last season as our rather agricultural passing (ie hoof) just kept coming back. And to be fair even when we did pass it into feet often it still came back. If we're going to continue to play with that kind of style we'll need someone who is mobile but can win headers and hold up the ball. Else it'll become like a few seasons back when we were using James Milner as our target from goal kicks. (A tactic I noticed England attempted to use horrendously against Brazil this summer). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Would be fucking pissed if we let Sylvain go - Pards needs to figure out how to accommodate a starting 11 with both Hatem and Sylvain on the pitch at the same time unless we go on and sign someone better to be our creative attacking midfielder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 When fit, Marveaux is one of our best players. It would be a ridiculous sale. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Needs to show that a bit more often when he is fit then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Marveaux's only started 11 league games for us. That's less than Gouffran. For the limited opportunites he's had, I think he's done reasonably well and shown a lot of promise. Well worth keeping. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 'A Demba Ba style target man' So, a target man who is absolutely not a target man in any way, then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 If he's fit to start the season and his injuries are behind him, it would be a mistake to sell. We already have a lack of creativity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Don't worry man we've got Jonas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I'm beginning to question the minds of some posters on this board. It seems in every single thread regarding every single player who is linked with a move away from us, there are a few who think its a fantastic idea, how that player never did much anyway, and should be sold. If we sell all our best players, where the fuck are Joe and Alan going to find replacements from? Cisse? Bent is better, marra. Marv? Never adapted marra. Perch? Should never have been taking up a spot from Bigi (!) marra. We need to have a bigger picture here in mind and not be reactionary and look at every single potential sale as a one-off. We are potentially breaking this team apart completely if we continue to sell the few players who did deliver last year in a pathetic season. We should be looking to add talent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I'm beginning to question the minds of some posters on this board. It seems in every single thread regarding every single player who is linked with a move away from us, there are a few who think its a fantastic idea, how that player never did much anyway, and should be sold. If we sell all our best players, where the fuck are Joe and Alan going to find replacements from? Cisse? Bent is better, marra. Marv? Never adapted marra. Perch? Should never have been taking up a spot from Bigi (!) marra. We need to have a bigger picture here in mind and not be reactionary and look at every single potential sale as a one-off. We are potentially breaking this team apart completely if we continue to sell the few players who did deliver last year in a pathetic season. We should be looking to add talent. I agree, but let's not forget we've only sold Perch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I'm beginning to question the minds of some posters on this board. It seems in every single thread regarding every single player who is linked with a move away from us, there are a few who think its a fantastic idea, how that player never did much anyway, and should be sold. If we sell all our best players, where the f*** are Joe and Alan going to find replacements from? Cisse? Bent is better, marra. Marv? Never adapted marra. Perch? Should never have been taking up a spot from Bigi (!) marra. We need to have a bigger picture here in mind and not be reactionary and look at every single potential sale as a one-off. We are potentially breaking this team apart completely if we continue to sell the few players who did deliver last year in a pathetic season. We should be looking to add talent. I don't get this. We've only sold James Perch who is legitimately only decent in a position where there's 6 better alternatives. I'll only be concerned if we sell Willo and Marveaux. Tbh if we did sign Bent, i'd rather we sold Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I'm beginning to question the minds of some posters on this board. It seems in every single thread regarding every single player who is linked with a move away from us, there are a few who think its a fantastic idea, how that player never did much anyway, and should be sold. If we sell all our best players, where the f*** are Joe and Alan going to find replacements from? Cisse? Bent is better, marra. Marv? Never adapted marra. Perch? Should never have been taking up a spot from Bigi (!) marra. We need to have a bigger picture here in mind and not be reactionary and look at every single potential sale as a one-off. We are potentially breaking this team apart completely if we continue to sell the few players who did deliver last year in a pathetic season. We should be looking to add talent. You do realise we have sold Perch to a championship club right? you do realise Perch was getting minutes over international footballers last year yes? If we sell Cisse and Marveaux then you have a point..... but not with James f*cking Perch when we have better players already. Our problem isn't a lack of numbers its a lack of quality and we have more than enough in the positions Perch played. What we seriously lack is creativity, width and goals none of which Perch provides. The way some of you are going on about Perch is as if he's Andrea f*cking Pirlo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Your anger needs to be directed towards the man that continually picked him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Aye, Perch is barely a Premiership player ffs. Would be terrible if we sold Marveaux like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Your anger needs to be directed towards the man that continually picked him. You are right, my apologies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I was a fairly long term critic of Marveaux and I still think he could offer more but even I think we'd be very foolish to sell. We'd likely get not much, he can play a range of roles, he is one of 2/3 genuine creators we have and he'd need to be replaced effectively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I'm sceptical he'll ever really make it for us, but next season seems like his best chance to give it a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I'm sceptical he'll ever really make it for us, but next season seems like his best chance to give it a go. He'll never make it if he's given so few starts and consistent ones at that. Can't expect consistency if he's playing one week and benched the next, i do fear because of this we will never see his best on a regular basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Due to his injuries he's someone you can't rely on. If he was evergreen like Jonas we'd probably be still in the same position of selling him but for very different reasons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Due to his injuries he's someone you can't rely on. If he was evergreen like Jonas we'd probably be still in the same position of selling him but for very different reasons. Agreed with this. In the games I've seen him in, it's clear there's a good, intelligent, skillful player in there with an eye for a pass but alas injuries have put paid to any reasonable run in the team. My fear is he's another Kieron Dyer, just simply injury prone and might never get a consistent run of games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 He'll never get near to Dyer's level, most likely. Agree with all his positive attributes though, if he stays fit he could do well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 He'll never get near to Dyer's level, most likely. Agree with all his positive attributes though, if he stays fit he could do well. Dyer's level wasn't that great imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 It seemed he was available for plenty of league games last term, but was overlooked by Pardew. I like him, and under another manager he would flourish. He's a creative player with an eye for a good pass, he can run with the ball effectively but he hasn't got the ability to tackle so he will be held back under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ste Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 He'll never get near to Dyer's level, most likely. Agree with all his positive attributes though, if he stays fit he could do well. Dyer's level wasn't that great imo. Dyer was quality when he was fully fit IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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