themanupstairs Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Cabella vs Gouffran. As if that's a choice. depends on your outlook and what you want the player to do, if it's track back and cover the fullback and have virtually zero attacking impact then there's certainly a choice to be made between the two That is a complete fallacy though. Gouffran runs around a lot but gives his full-back no actual protection whatsoever. I don't blame him because he's not a defender, but our left-back is as exposed now as he would be given zero protection from anyone else. Gouffran in this role has one trademark move and one trademark move only, to come short infield, give it back, turn and run forwards. He literally contributes nothing else apart from being the 11th player on the pitch. Pardew knows nothing about football so he simply cannot spot this it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Cabella vs Gouffran. As if that's a choice. depends on your outlook and what you want the player to do, if it's track back and cover the fullback and have virtually zero attacking impact then there's certainly a choice to be made between the two That is a complete fallacy though. Gouffran runs around a lot but gives his full-back no actual protection whatsoever. I don't blame him because he's not a defender, but our left-back is as exposed now as he would be given zero protection from anyone else. Gouffran in this role has one trademark move and one trademark move only, to come short infield, give it back, turn and run forwards. He literally contributes nothing else apart from being the 11th player on the pitch. Pardew knows nothing about football so he simply cannot spot this it seems. i agree actually, saw him stood watching vs. leicester at the weekend...still if i was him i wouldn't give fuck either Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Cabella has barely had a chance man. He's played a few games in the worst start we've had in years. Imagine having to adapt to the toughest league in the world surrounded by that shite and managed by Pardew. Cabella needs to play more games before his confidence is completely shot and he just becomes another Luque. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Cabella has barely had a chance man. He's played a few games in the worst start with had in years. Imagine having to adapt to the toughest league in the world surrounded by that s**** and managed by Pardew. Cabella needs to play more games before his confidence is completely shot and he just becomes another Luque. Yup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ndegwa Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Cabella vs Gouffran. As if that's a choice. depends on your outlook and what you want the player to do, if it's track back and cover the fullback and have virtually zero attacking impact then there's certainly a choice to be made between the two That is a complete fallacy though. Gouffran runs around a lot but gives his full-back no actual protection whatsoever. I don't blame him because he's not a defender, but our left-back is as exposed now as he would be given zero protection from anyone else. Gouffran in this role has one trademark move and one trademark move only, to come short infield, give it back, turn and run forwards. He literally contributes nothing else apart from being the 11th player on the pitch. Pardew knows nothing about football so he simply cannot spot this it seems. I don't think he even does that anymore. He's so lazy it's unreal now, probably 'cos he knows he'll be picked week in, week out. Funny how Pardew lambasted HATAAAAAM for not tracking back yet Gouff, Cabella, Gabby and Aarons hardly track back, the first two being the biggest culprits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Gouffran was getting a lot of praise on the radio v Leicester for the brilliant defensive shift he was putting in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Gouffran was getting a lot of praise on the radio v Leicester for the brilliant defensive shift he was putting in. Completely unfounded bollocks. I wasn't at the match so I couldn't see his full off the ball movement, but what I did see on the box was definitely nothing like a brilliant defensive shift. He stood around with his mouth gaping watching Nugent waltz past him and put in a glorious cross for Ulloa. David Fucking NUGENT! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Obi is still quite a limited footballer, but at least he's now playing with a bit of heart and commitment. He does have the pace and strength to hurt defences in the right situation, and that made the difference on Saturday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_69 Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Gouffran was getting a lot of praise on the radio v Leicester for the brilliant defensive shift he was putting in. Completely unfounded bollocks. I wasn't at the match so I couldn't see his full off the ball movement, but what I did see on the box was definitely nothing like a brilliant defensive shift. He stood around with his mouth gaping watching Nugent waltz past him and put in a glorious cross for Ulloa. David f***ing NUGENT! You do realise Gouffran is a striker don't you? Not a winger, not a central midfielder - a striker. This guy has been Pardewed more than any other member of our first team FFS! No wonder he's standing around not knowing what a defensive wide player should do, he isn't one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Obi is still quite a limited footballer, but at least he's now playing with a bit of heart and commitment. He does have the pace and strength to hurt defences in the right situation, and that made the difference on Saturday. Obertan is shit, he's scored once in 2 seasons for a reason. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Gouffran was getting a lot of praise on the radio v Leicester for the brilliant defensive shift he was putting in. Completely unfounded bollocks. I wasn't at the match so I couldn't see his full off the ball movement, but what I did see on the box was definitely nothing like a brilliant defensive shift. He stood around with his mouth gaping watching Nugent waltz past him and put in a glorious cross for Ulloa. David f***ing NUGENT! You do realise Gouffran is a striker don't you? Not a winger, not a central midfielder - a striker. This guy has been Pardewed more than any other member of our first team FFS! No wonder he's standing around not knowing what a defensive wide player should do, he isn't one. Oh I realize that believe me! Just making the point that he's so poor defensively and we can all see it, yet al pards continues to persist with him there because he gives us a "solid honest effort" and "tracks back" and "puts in a tackle". He clearly does none of those things, yet the radio seems to think he put in a brilliant defensive shift. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Obi is still quite a limited footballer, but at least he's now playing with a bit of heart and commitment. He does have the pace and strength to hurt defences in the right situation, and that made the difference on Saturday. Let's see if he's still starting games in December then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 What a thoroughly depressing and unengaging debate man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Never had a problem with Obertan. He is what he is, pacey but limited.. Hes offering something Cabella and Gouffran weren't. In the long term, no thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted October 22, 2014 Share Posted October 22, 2014 Obi is still quite a limited footballer, but at least he's now playing with a bit of heart and commitment. He does have the pace and strength to hurt defences in the right situation, and that made the difference on Saturday. Let's see if he's still starting games in December then. Hopefully, there'll be a better option in the near future - either Cabella finding his feet, or Sammy finding consistency, or a new arrival in January (unlikely) But in the meantime, let's admit there's been some improvement in his attitude and make use of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Never had a problem with Obertan. He is what he is, pacey but limited.. Hes offering something Cabella and Gouffran weren't. In the long term, no thanks. Same, with the caveat that Cabella wasn't given enough time to adapt and Gouffran was ruined by Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Short term i'm fine with, but long term if he's a first choice to start then we are fucked basically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 madness the time and effort they put into getting cabella and him not to be playing, i wonder what lines he spins ashley etc. for why it's not working Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordiesned Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 It's surely only a matter of time before he's inaugurated into the NUFC Hall of Fame. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 He's the only orthodox winger in the squad. Tbh I'm surprised he's reemerged this late - Pardew's been totally lost with how to use unconventional forward players for ages now. Obertan will be in the team every week from now on I suspect, it's the only type of winger Pardew has a semblance of knowledge in how to use. Cos it's so basic. Was achingly obvious Cabella would never work here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Yeah, Obertan's not got the delivery to be considered an bona fide orthodox winger to the same extent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Yeah, Obertan's not got the delivery to be considered an bona fide orthodox winger to the same extent. He is a winger though, he's just not very good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Yes, but not to the extent Aarons is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Sorry like but he isn't a winger. He is a 433 forward. Nathan Dyer and Jesus Navas are orthodox wingers. Gabriel Obertan is a channel forward made to cut inside and provide a few tricks. He doesn't have the directness of an orthodox winger. Edit: He could easily have the physical attributes to be a winger of course. What I mean though is that throughout his footballing education he hasn't been moulded or groomed to be a winger. Pardew is just completely mis-using him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 23, 2014 Share Posted October 23, 2014 Sorry like but he isn't a winger. He is a 433 forward. Nathan Dyer and Jesus Navas are orthodox wingers. Gabriel Obertan is a channel forward made to cut inside and provide a few tricks. He doesn't have the directness of an orthodox winger. Edit: He could easily have the physical attributes to be a winger of course. What I mean though is that throughout his footballing education he hasn't been moulded or groomed to be a winger. Pardew is just completely mis-using him. Agree completely. Should be left side of a front three in a 4-3-3. The very position he did so well from to get the goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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