madras Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 He ran out of steam after 70 minutes, fair enough, but he was being a bit lazy with his tracking on a few occasions much earlier in the game. Wasn't lazy, he just doesn't have a football brain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Obertan was decent today I thought. Haidara on the other hand... Obertan made no attempt to help Haidara....Left Haidara trying to cover vs 2 Southampton attackers continuously. Agreed Don't agree He was pretty much at fault for the second goal for me. He makes the slightest effort to help cut out that cross, or more so, stop them even getting in to a crossing position, he had plenty of time and opportunity, and they don't score. He just fucking wandered about, 5 yards away, making no effort what so ever. That was the worst example, there were plenty others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 9, 2015 Share Posted August 9, 2015 Obertan was decent today I thought. Haidara on the other hand... Obertan made no attempt to help Haidara....Left Haidara trying to cover vs 2 Southampton attackers continuously. Agreed Don't agree He was pretty much at fault for the second goal for me. He makes the slightest effort to help cut out that cross, or more so, stop them even getting in to a crossing position, he had plenty of time and opportunity, and they don't score. He just fucking wandered about, 5 yards away, making no effort what so ever. That was the worst example, there were plenty others. It's like he thinks he's too good to defend which would be hilarious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 His big cross came with him pelting down the right touchline. Well played by him, but I don't think he's capable of doing that on the side he spent most of the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 He put a great cross in for the goal, and had a very good look before he delivered it, but otherwise I thought he was very poor, nervous and hesitant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 his best play is when he doesn't have to think about what he's doing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Yes Haidara didn't get much help from the useless man from Mars, but don't fucking tell me that this was a big reason that Haidara looked poor! I don't know how many times the ball went out on their right hand flank with Haidara failing to get out there quickly enough to pressure Tadic (?), instead he got ages of time with the ball and not even then did Haidara press him well enough despite Tadic having the ball for a few seconds and acres of space to put himself in a good position to cross. On top of that he couldn't handle the ball at all. I was even wondering if he was left footed or not. Lost the ball countless time going forward, or hitting a cross straight at the first man, or him and Obertan played themselves in to a tight corner with their meaningless short passing to each other, and not just one pass. Simply because they couldn't move well enough with the ball and create space for themselves and switch the play to other more open areas. A couple of times Haidara miscontrolled the ball and was just spinning around without knowing where the ball was, only for it to end up in a throw in to Southampton. There was quite a few times where Haidara got the ball and only needed to make a quick simple ball to a team mate, but instead it took to long for him to do this and he ended up passing it straight in to the opposition because they got all the time in the world to press him before he released the ball. Thank God it went out for a throw in for us most of the times. Poor positioning from him before he got the ball combined with poor technical ability got him into avoidable tight positions. I like Haidara, but lets be honest, right now he's nowhere good enough, defensively or offensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Yeah Haidara did a lot of terrible things yesterday. I could hardly believe what I was seeing some of the time. He certainly didn't make Obertan's life easier ont hat side either! We can't have both of those on the same time, as both need someone stronger and more authoritative to play with. E.g. Obertan with Janmaat, and Sissoko with Haidara. However I want Sissoko to stick to one spot this year and really master it, so we really shouldn't be swapping his side for the sake of Gabriel Obertan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Although both our goals came from our left flank (first one a lucky deflection on the cross which killed their goalkeeper and the second a cross that Obertan could never produce again even if he tried it 1000 times) both Southampton's goals came from our left flank too. Obertan's tracking back was terrible and resulted in Haidara's inability to quickly commit to attacking 1 certain player. As a result it appears he was at fault for both goals, but really he was hung out to dry by Obershan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Although both our goals came from our left flank (first one a lucky deflection on the cross which killed their goalkeeper and the second a cross that Obertan could never produce again even if he tried it 1000 times) both Southampton's goals came from our left flank too. Obertan's tracking back was terrible and resulted in Haidara's inability to quickly commit to attacking 1 certain player. As a result it appears he was at fault for both goals, but really he was hung out to dry by Obershan. Most people too happy to blame Haidara, despite no one else trying to help him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Haidara still should have got much closer to Tadic than he did for their second. Especially as Tadic is so one footed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Don't be clueless Aiston. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Haidara still should have got much closer to Tadic than he did for their second. Especially as Tadic is so one footed He should have been, but Obertan not picking up Cedric meant Haidara was playing cautious and standing off which you can't blame him too much for. This is why Obertan should have been taken off around the 65 minute mark - dare I say it, even Gouffran may have helped... The only reason I'm saying that is due to Pelle/Long vs Colo/Mbemba in the air the outcome is predictable as we saw, and we should have done a lot more to close down the flanks and force them to go through the middle. It's the only time I'll ever say Gouff could have been useful to us though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Haidara still should have got much closer to Tadic than he did for their second. Especially as Tadic is so one footed He was a bit f***ed by Obertan, go towards Tadic and the attacker Obertan ignored is open and then that could've resulted in a goal. Obertan had to get tighter to the Southampton attackers instead of just letting them run past and hoping Haidara can deal with both attackers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I thought the fucker just slung a foot through it in hope for the cross but he actually looked up before hitting it. Fair play to him for that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Brilliat, brilliant cross. Thought he linked up well with Haidara going forward. Needs improving on, obviously. But he was decent and provided a bit of magic when needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Haidara was awful for the second. Was awful full stop pretty much. No use being decent going forward if you're goign to defend like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Your just watching the game for the first time now aren't you. You are ridiculous man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Haidara was awful for the second. Was awful full stop pretty much. No use being decent going forward if you're goign to defend like that. as you're in the obertan thread how did you think obertan did defensively for lead up to the second and in the 10-15 minutes before it when he was watching their players run past him to double up on haidara? i'm not saying haidara wasn't at fault but obertan was nothing short of disgraceful during that period, should have been the first one off the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 Haidara was awful for the second. Was awful full stop pretty much. No use being decent going forward if you're goign to defend like that. as you're in the obertan thread how did you think obertan did defensively for lead up to the second and in the 10-15 minutes before it when he was watching their players run past him to double up on haidara? i'm not saying haidara wasn't at fault but obertan was nothing short of disgraceful during that period, should have been the first one off the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If / when I find full 90 mins to download I'm going to count how many times he passes the ball back to the player who passed it to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If / when I find full 90 mins to download I'm going to count how many times he passes the ball back to the player who passed it to him. Just see how much he's playing with his back to a full-back who was booked early and looked a bit shaky defensively... Obertan's ONLY strength is running, why he wasn't utilising it was just beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If / when I find full 90 mins to download I'm going to count how many times he passes the ball back to the player who passed it to him. Sounds a rip roaring evening. Non stop party at Crumpy's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 I do want McLaren to wake up and dump this cunt out of the club asap. That cross has possibly cemented a new fucking deal for him at this club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted August 10, 2015 Share Posted August 10, 2015 If / when I find full 90 mins to download I'm going to count how many times he passes the ball back to the player who passed it to him. Please count Colback's as well, and provide a full report for the forum. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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