midds Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 It's always tough to balance between putting out a side strong enough to beat Scunthorpe (or whoever) whilst not jeopardising the chances of winning the following league game. The League will always be more important than Carling Cup. I'd be tempted to start with Best and/or Ba up front. I'd like to see Vuckic and Abeid get a full game each, Tiote needs another hour, Marveaux needs to start. I'd rest Cabaye and start Gosling. Perch (if fit) could start along with Williamson and Tavernier. It's all about rotation and giving whoever needs games/fitness what they need. I beg to differ tbh. I'd happily take another bottom half finish (as long as we're not in danger) as opposed to finishing 8th-10th if it helped us get to the League Cup semi's giving us a decent chance of winning something. It's been too long since we had a good cup run and we're not going to win the league any time shortly. That's fair enough. It has been too long since we won something and realistically this Cup is our best chance of doing it. I'm just saying we shouldn't be putting our first XI out on Thursday night knowing we've got Fulham on Sunday afternoon. Mix a few young lads in with a few older heads whilst giving players like Tiote games to get him up to speed. Oh I agree because we shouldn't need to put a full-strength side out against Scunthorpe to get the win. I went to the 4-0 home defeat versus Arsenal last year and was pissed off that we'd fucked off another chance to have a good go at winning a trophy by playing a weakened side. But a few days later I was torn because we beat the mackems 5-1. In hindsight I'll forgive it because it was our first season back up in the top flight and matches against Sunderland are a special case, but in general we're not in a position to basically deliberately lose a cup match when we've went such a pathetic amount of time without a trophy. And seen the likes of Birmingham, Leicester and Portsmouth win trophies in the mean time. I'd be astonished and annoyed if any of our lot genuinely wanted that tbh. I want us to win every game but some games (and competitions) are more important than others. The team we put out against Arsenal that night was akin to deliberately losing the game imo, we wanted to get it over with and move on. I was on about the fans like, but it's a fair point well made. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 Said it in another thread but based on nothing I have a feeling Marveaux is partially forgotten but is going to be mint as fuck and a massive player for us. He needs to play to start the great things he will give us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowlingcrofty Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 It's always tough to balance between putting out a side strong enough to beat Scunthorpe (or whoever) whilst not jeopardising the chances of winning the following league game. The League will always be more important than Carling Cup. I'd be tempted to start with Best and/or Ba up front. I'd like to see Vuckic and Abeid get a full game each, Tiote needs another hour, Marveaux needs to start. I'd rest Cabaye and start Gosling. Perch (if fit) could start along with Williamson and Tavernier. It's all about rotation and giving whoever needs games/fitness what they need. I beg to differ tbh. I'd happily take another bottom half finish (as long as we're not in danger) as opposed to finishing 8th-10th if it helped us get to the League Cup semi's giving us a decent chance of winning something. It's been too long since we had a good cup run and we're not going to win the league any time shortly. That's fair enough. It has been too long since we won something and realistically this Cup is our best chance of doing it. I'm just saying we shouldn't be putting our first XI out on Thursday night knowing we've got Fulham on Sunday afternoon. Mix a few young lads in with a few older heads whilst giving players like Tiote games to get him up to speed. Oh I agree because we shouldn't need to put a full-strength side out against Scunthorpe to get the win. I went to the 4-0 home defeat versus Arsenal last year and was pissed off that we'd fucked off another chance to have a good go at winning a trophy by playing a weakened side. But a few days later I was torn because we beat the mackems 5-1. In hindsight I'll forgive it because it was our first season back up in the top flight and matches against Sunderland are a special case, but in general we're not in a position to basically deliberately lose a cup match when we've went such a pathetic amount of time without a trophy. And seen the likes of Birmingham, Leicester and Portsmouth win trophies in the mean time. I'd be astonished and annoyed if any of our lot genuinely wanted that tbh. I want us to win every game but some games (and competitions) are more important than others. The team we put out against Arsenal that night was akin to deliberately losing the game imo, we wanted to get it over with and move on. Yet if we'd won we just had Ipswich and Birmingham to win the cup didn't we? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 It's always tough to balance between putting out a side strong enough to beat Scunthorpe (or whoever) whilst not jeopardising the chances of winning the following league game. The League will always be more important than Carling Cup. I'd be tempted to start with Best and/or Ba up front. I'd like to see Vuckic and Abeid get a full game each, Tiote needs another hour, Marveaux needs to start. I'd rest Cabaye and start Gosling. Perch (if fit) could start along with Williamson and Tavernier. It's all about rotation and giving whoever needs games/fitness what they need. I beg to differ tbh. I'd happily take another bottom half finish (as long as we're not in danger) as opposed to finishing 8th-10th if it helped us get to the League Cup semi's giving us a decent chance of winning something. It's been too long since we had a good cup run and we're not going to win the league any time shortly. That's fair enough. It has been too long since we won something and realistically this Cup is our best chance of doing it. I'm just saying we shouldn't be putting our first XI out on Thursday night knowing we've got Fulham on Sunday afternoon. Mix a few young lads in with a few older heads whilst giving players like Tiote games to get him up to speed. Oh I agree because we shouldn't need to put a full-strength side out against Scunthorpe to get the win. I went to the 4-0 home defeat versus Arsenal last year and was pissed off that we'd fucked off another chance to have a good go at winning a trophy by playing a weakened side. But a few days later I was torn because we beat the mackems 5-1. In hindsight I'll forgive it because it was our first season back up in the top flight and matches against Sunderland are a special case, but in general we're not in a position to basically deliberately lose a cup match when we've went such a pathetic amount of time without a trophy. And seen the likes of Birmingham, Leicester and Portsmouth win trophies in the mean time. I'd be astonished and annoyed if any of our lot genuinely wanted that tbh. I want us to win every game but some games (and competitions) are more important than others. The team we put out against Arsenal that night was akin to deliberately losing the game imo, we wanted to get it over with and move on. I was on about the fans like, but it's a fair point well made. Oh right, fair enough. Yeah, once the match comes around you want nothing more than to win it but I knew it was a waste of time when the teams were read out. Didn't stop me being as radge as possible during the match, it wasn't too bad an atmosphere at all iirc. Anyway if we ever won a trophy then all hell would break loose, it needs to happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 This is on a Thursday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 This is on a Thursday? Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted August 21, 2011 Share Posted August 21, 2011 All about balance, certainly, but for teams like Newcastle and Everton, this competition should be taken seriously IMO. No, I'm not saying to play your strongest team but it warrants, fitness permitting, a decent core of first teamers playing in games like this. Laughable at times that this competition is given little respect, as if we're currently swimming in trophies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan_Taylor Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 This is on a Thursday? Aye, means I'll miss it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
broonalegeordie Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Just got Sky Sports in yesterday so happy its on Sky, and Thursday as I'll be done at work by 7. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 It's always tough to balance between putting out a side strong enough to beat Scunthorpe (or whoever) whilst not jeopardising the chances of winning the following league game. The League will always be more important than Carling Cup. I'd be tempted to start with Best and/or Ba up front. I'd like to see Vuckic and Abeid get a full game each, Tiote needs another hour, Marveaux needs to start. I'd rest Cabaye and start Gosling. Perch (if fit) could start along with Williamson and Tavernier. It's all about rotation and giving whoever needs games/fitness what they need. Tavernier is at Carlisle on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 It's always tough to balance between putting out a side strong enough to beat Scunthorpe (or whoever) whilst not jeopardising the chances of winning the following league game. The League will always be more important than Carling Cup. I'd be tempted to start with Best and/or Ba up front. I'd like to see Vuckic and Abeid get a full game each, Tiote needs another hour, Marveaux needs to start. I'd rest Cabaye and start Gosling. Perch (if fit) could start along with Williamson and Tavernier. It's all about rotation and giving whoever needs games/fitness what they need. Tavernier is at Carlisle on loan. Is he? Completely missed that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Is it 5 or 7 subs for this with the Football League going back to 5 this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 All about balance, certainly, but for teams like Newcastle and Everton, this competition should be taken seriously IMO. No, I'm not saying to play your strongest team but it warrants, fitness permitting, a decent core of first teamers playing in games like this. Laughable at times that this competition is given little respect, as if we're currently swimming in trophies Totally agree. Or at least if we aren't going to take it seriously, let's admit it and stop bringing first team players on when we're losing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Harp Simmo willo tayl fergie (if fit) Marveaux cabaye Vuckic obertan Ba best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 All about balance, certainly, but for teams like Newcastle and Everton, this competition should be taken seriously IMO. No, I'm not saying to play your strongest team but it warrants, fitness permitting, a decent core of first teamers playing in games like this. Laughable at times that this competition is given little respect, as if we're currently swimming in trophies Totally agree. Or at least if we aren't going to take it seriously, let's admit it and stop bringing first team players on when we're losing. Totally concurred, as I posted earlier I'd have 6 or 7 first teamers playing. Would be great if we could rattle in a few goals and get some players off the mar & more importantly used to playing together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 People here forgetting how poorly we are playing and what happened the last time we rolled up at Scunthorpe... Wouldn't want us to be making anymore than a 2-3 changes if any... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I think we can easily make changes without it being a team full of inexperienced kids with the likes of Harper, Williamson, Best, Marveaux, Ferguson and Gosling needing time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CheickMansour Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I think we can easily make changes without it being a team full of inexperienced kids with the likes of Harper, Williamson, Best, Marveaux, Ferguson and Gosling needing time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Looking forward to seeing Abeid and Vuckic playing together. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 We aren't playing that poorly, ok It's not been fantastic football but it hasnt been that bad either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ocho Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 We aren't playing that poorly, ok It's not been fantastic football but it hasnt been that bad either. Two difficult games to start the season with, so the points were more important. Hope to see Marveaux, Gosling, Ba, Abeid and Vuckic getting a run out for this game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 We aren't playing that poorly, ok It's not been fantastic football but it hasnt been that bad either. Two difficult games to start the season with, so the points were more important. Hope to see Marveaux, Gosling, Ba, Abeid and Vuckic getting a run out for this game. Is Ba going to be fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Why wouldn't he be? Was on the bench on the weekend and I've not read anything to the contrary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 Why wouldn't he be? Was on the bench on the weekend and I've not read anything to the contrary. Gan canny man, Disco. Newcastle United isn't his life, you know? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 play Ba and Vuckic, if it works play them against fulham Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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