Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 You're talking about him like he was a world beater. He was an exceptional domestic-level forward who scored lots of goals. He isn't top tier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 His "goalscoring" - which, incidentally, is the topic currently being discussed - was world class. Have there been any of these mythical 10/10 "goalscorers" in the PL era, out of interest? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 You're talking about him like he was a world beater. He was an exceptional domestic-level forward who scored lots of goals. He isn't top tier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Clearly not. Nobody is denying he's the best goalscorer this country has had in the last 20 years. Doesn't put him up there with the likes of Ronaldo and Romario, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Might as well say it's impossible for such a player to deserve a 10 in anything then, since you're basically judging him on the Champions League finals he didn't play or score in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 The Ronaldo rating system is harsh. Would much prefer some sort of representational system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 What does the Champions League have to do with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Respectfully disagree Ron, and thats just my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Well we're talking about goalscoring and you're downplaying him as just an "exceptional domestic-level forward". He scored hundreds of goals in this country, 30 goals for England (including 5 in a major tournament) before retiring from international football when he was 30. I'm presuming that you're referring to his lack of goals in the Champions League or else I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The debate is about goalscoring and he had an exceptional goalscoring record throughout his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Do people actually ever take into account the fact that Romario and Ronaldo had other world-class world cup winning talent around them in Brazil. In the case of Ronaldo he was playing for Barcelona and Inter who had much better talent than Newcastle or England? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Wasn't too shabby when he played in the CL either tbf, as Leverkusen, Inter and the mighty Zelezniczijabncar (sp?) will testify. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Well we're talking about goalscoring and you're downplaying him as just an "exceptional domestic-level forward". He scored hundreds of goals in this country, 30 goals for England (including 5 in a major tournament) before retiring from international football when he was 30. I'm presuming that you're referring to his lack of goals in the Champions League or else I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The debate is about goalscoring and he had an exceptional goalscoring record throughout his career. But not as exceptional as some. We have to call a spade a spade. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Well we're talking about goalscoring and you're downplaying him as just an "exceptional domestic-level forward". He scored hundreds of goals in this country, 30 goals for England (including 5 in a major tournament) before retiring from international football when he was 30. I'm presuming that you're referring to his lack of goals in the Champions League or else I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The debate is about goalscoring and he had an exceptional goalscoring record throughout his career. But not as exceptional as some. We have to call a spade a spade. and a plank a plank. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Well we're talking about goalscoring and you're downplaying him as just an "exceptional domestic-level forward". He scored hundreds of goals in this country, 30 goals for England (including 5 in a major tournament) before retiring from international football when he was 30. I'm presuming that you're referring to his lack of goals in the Champions League or else I haven't got a clue what you're talking about. The debate is about goalscoring and he had an exceptional goalscoring record throughout his career. But not as exceptional as some. We have to call a spade a spade. and a plank a plank. I passed on that. I was going to use 'tool'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Yeah yours was better Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Not sure if you're all actually this biased, or just trying to appear so. Nowt to be proud of either way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Shearer's goalscoring record stands up to Romario's tbf. Romario scored 59 goals in 105 games in Spain, Shearer 112 goals in 138 league games for Blackburn. he's quite clearly a 10 out of 10 player for goalscoring. Yes, they're some players better than him, doesn't mean he's only a 9. There's better players than Romario at goalscoring too, such as Ronaldo, does that mean he is only a 9 and Shearer is then knocked down to an 8? But then Messi is an even better scorer than Ronaldo, does he get knocked down to 9, Romario to 8 and Shearer to 7? If you want to go down to that much detail you need a more detailed rating system, the whole point of rating something out of 10 is to group various players in a similar bracket, even though there'll be differences in quality between them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Most neutrals would give him a 10 on the basis I'm using ffs. If you're saying that only a tiny, tiny handful of players in the history of football deserve a 10 for goalscoring then fine, Shearer's a 9. He scored goals year after year against the opposition in front of him, therefore he deserves a 10 as far as I'm concerned. Short of joining Man Utd or Barcelona when he had the chance there's nowt more he could have done. You can say what you like about being biased and I could say the same to you about being contrary for the sake of being contrary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Shearer's goalscoring record stands up to Romario's tbf. Romario scored 59 goals in 105 games in Spain, Shearer 112 goals in 138 league games for Blackburn. he's quite clearly a 10 out of 10 player for goalscoring. Yes, they're some players better than him, doesn't mean he's only a 9. There's better players than Romario at goalscoring too, such as Ronaldo, does that mean he is only a 9 and Shearer is then knocked down to an 8? But then Messi is an even better scorer than Ronaldo, does he get knocked down to 9, Romario to 8 and Shearer to 7? If you want to go down to that much detail you need a more detailed rating system, the whole point of rating something out of 10 is to group various players in a similar bracket, even though there'll be differences in quality between them. Spot on as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Shearer's goalscoring record stands up to Romario's tbf. Romario scored 59 goals in 105 games in Spain, Shearer 112 goals in 138 league games for Blackburn. he's quite clearly a 10 out of 10 player for goalscoring. Yes, they're some players better than him, doesn't mean he's only a 9. There's better players than Romario at goalscoring too, such as Ronaldo, does that mean he is only a 9 and Shearer is then knocked down to an 8? But then Messi is an even better scorer than Ronaldo, does he get knocked down to 9, Romario to 8 and Shearer to 7? If you want to go down to that much detail you need a more detailed rating system, the whole point of rating something out of 10 is to group various players in a similar bracket, even though there'll be differences in quality between them. Spot on as usual. Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Shearer's goalscoring record stands up to Romario's tbf. Romario scored 59 goals in 105 games in Spain, Shearer 112 goals in 138 league games for Blackburn. he's quite clearly a 10 out of 10 player for goalscoring. Yes, they're some players better than him, doesn't mean he's only a 9. There's better players than Romario at goalscoring too, such as Ronaldo, does that mean he is only a 9 and Shearer is then knocked down to an 8? But then Messi is an even better scorer than Ronaldo, does he get knocked down to 9, Romario to 8 and Shearer to 7? If you want to go down to that much detail you need a more detailed rating system, the whole point of rating something out of 10 is to group various players in a similar bracket, even though there'll be differences in quality between them. And Ronaldo is quite clearly a better goalscorer than Shearer. It's quite laughable that someone saying Shearer deserves a 9 would provoke this much arguement. He was great, but there's no arguement for calling him the best, or as good as the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 The players ranked 10 for goalscoring don't have to be identically equal in terms of goalscoring ability ffs. It all depends on what proportion of players you think deserve a 10. I personally think there's room for a few more than just Pele, Romario, Van Basten, Ronaldo, Messi and Maradona. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Depends on the gulf in quality. I think it's pretty considerable in this case, as I've made very clear. In other words, I'm starting to get angry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Get angry all you like sweet cheeks, I think you're wrong. Next you'll be telling me that Nolan's not a 10 for goalscoring either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Shearer would definitely get top marks for goalscoring. Not only did he score a shed load of goals, he could score from absolutely anywhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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