Skeletor Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Probably when we nearly scored and he thought about that money he'd promised to pay out. I would love to know his thoughts on Pardew's comments about us having 80% of a team though. To be fair I think we are only 1 CB, 1 winger, and 1 forward away from a pretty strong and complete 11. The weakest link is Pardew and possibly the medical staff. To have a complete squad for next season double up in the positions I mentioned and get someone who can play at LB/RB and we are there. Saying we have 80% of a team isn't far off. It's the coaching and medical staff that aren't up to the job. We only need a CB if Colo leaves i suspect Pardew plan is two forwards and a winger and the rest will be based on sales. Have I misread this? you don't think we need a striker? Yes. He's responding the post above saying we only need a new centre back if Colo leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Aye especially after he just shelled out on 5 new players lol For me its on par with Keegan saying we'll never beat Chelsea. KK right again. Last season literally didn't happen did it. Has to be a question Ashley asks: How did a team that finished fifth and had five first-team players added in January finish in fifth place? (And if you mention Europa League or injuries I will stab you in the face) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Aye especially after he just shelled out on 5 new players lol For me its on par with Keegan saying we'll never beat Chelsea. KK right again. Last season literally didn't happen did it. Has to be a question Ashley asks: How did a team that finished fifth and had five first-team players added in January finish in fifth place? (And if you mention Europa League or injuries I will stab you in the face) That's like asking for two positive integers that add up to make 2, but forbidding the use of 1 in the answer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Aye especially after he just shelled out on 5 new players lol For me its on par with Keegan saying we'll never beat Chelsea. KK right again. Last season literally didn't happen did it. Has to be a question Ashley asks: How did a team that finished fifth and had five first-team players added in January finish in fifth place? (And if you mention Europa League or injuries I will stab you in the face) That's like asking for two positive integers that add up to make 2, but forbidding the use of 1 in the answer. Wrong. That ignores the fact that our players played significantly fewer ganes than many at more successful clubs. It ignores the woeful domestic cup runs, and the fact that in the EL group matches, we sent out virtual reserve teams on occasion. Nor does it acknowledge that some injuries were the direct result of managerial mismanagement (such as Ben Arfa being played when clearly unfit) or through institutional mismanagement (the failure of the club to investigate the occurance of muscle injuries borders on negligence, while the lack of fitness which potentially leads to injuries is, again, directly under the control of the manager.) But don't let that stop you pushing your barrow. You'd make a good advocate for Pardew in his "showdown" talks, except that he doesn't need one because he's so good at PR Go and troll someone else, Face EDIT: Just realised I made a typo, and that it should have read "...finish in fifth last place." So had you trolled me by pointing out my error, there would have been no response. But in your rush to push your ridiculous agenda, you ignored the tap-in in favour of a speculative scissor kick that ended in the stands... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Aye especially after he just shelled out on 5 new players lol For me its on par with Keegan saying we'll never beat Chelsea. KK right again. Last season literally didn't happen did it. Has to be a question Ashley asks: How did a team that finished fifth and had five first-team players added in January finish in fifth place? (And if you mention Europa League or injuries I will stab you in the face) That's like asking for two positive integers that add up to make 2, but forbidding the use of 1 in the answer. Wrong. That ignores the fact that our players played significantly fewer ganes than many at more successful clubs. It ignores the woeful domestic cup runs, and the fact that in the EL group matches, we sent out virtual reserve teams on occasion. Nor does it acknowledge that some injuries were the direct result of managerial mismanagement (such as Ben Arfa being played when clearly unfit) or through institutional mismanagement (the failure of the club to investigate the occurance of muscle injuries borders on negligence, while the lack of fitness which potentially leads to injuries is, again, directly under the control of the manager.) But don't let that stop you pushing your barrow. You'd make a good advocate for Pardew in his "showdown" talks, except that he doesn't need one because he's so good at PR Go and troll someone else, Face EDIT: Just realised I made a typo, and that it should have read "...finish in fifth last place." So had you trolled me by pointing out my error, there would have been no response. But in your rush to push your ridiculous agenda, you ignored the tap-in in favour of a speculative scissor kick that ended in the stands... I made no reference to your typo. I got what you meant. Our players played significantly fewer than players at other clubs due to injury. The best thing to do is compare Premier league starts for the last 2 seasons....... 2011/2012 http://i40.tinypic.com/a2did0.jpg Here you can see just how consistent the spine of our team was. 6 players all started over 30 games. Over the season a manager selects 418 players to start a game. Just those 6 players were selected 211 times...over 50%. Only 24 players were needed. 6 of those playing 2 games or less. which leaves us with a core of 18 players. Remarkably consistent selections. 2012/2013 http://i39.tinypic.com/i6jcdl.jpg Here you can see just inconsistent the past season has been. This time, only 3 managed 30. We had to go through the 8 most played players before we'd covered half of the seasons selections. 27 players were needed this time. with only 2 playing 2 games or less. Which means our core was a much wider spread of 25 players. There was none of the consistency in team selection of the year previous, and with that comes less opportunity to work up a settled system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Fucking hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Aye especially after he just shelled out on 5 new players lol For me its on par with Keegan saying we'll never beat Chelsea. KK right again. Last season literally didn't happen did it. Has to be a question Ashley asks: How did a team that finished fifth and had five first-team players added in January finish in fifth place? (And if you mention Europa League or injuries I will stab you in the face) That's like asking for two positive integers that add up to make 2, but forbidding the use of 1 in the answer. Wrong. That ignores the fact that our players played significantly fewer ganes than many at more successful clubs. It ignores the woeful domestic cup runs, and the fact that in the EL group matches, we sent out virtual reserve teams on occasion. Nor does it acknowledge that some injuries were the direct result of managerial mismanagement (such as Ben Arfa being played when clearly unfit) or through institutional mismanagement (the failure of the club to investigate the occurance of muscle injuries borders on negligence, while the lack of fitness which potentially leads to injuries is, again, directly under the control of the manager.) But don't let that stop you pushing your barrow. You'd make a good advocate for Pardew in his "showdown" talks, except that he doesn't need one because he's so good at PR Go and troll someone else, Face EDIT: Just realised I made a typo, and that it should have read "...finish in fifth last place." So had you trolled me by pointing out my error, there would have been no response. But in your rush to push your ridiculous agenda, you ignored the tap-in in favour of a speculative scissor kick that ended in the stands... I made no reference to your typo. I got what you meant. Our players played significantly fewer than players at other clubs due to injury. The best thing to do is compare Premier league starts for the last 2 seasons....... 2011/2012 http://i40.tinypic.com/a2did0.jpg Here you can see just how consistent the spine of our team was. 6 players all started over 30 games. Over the season a manager selects 418 players to start a game. Just those 6 players were selected 211 times...over 50%. Only 24 players were needed. 6 of those playing 2 games or less. which leaves us with a core of 18 players. Remarkably consistent selections. 2012/2013 http://i39.tinypic.com/i6jcdl.jpg Here you can see just inconsistent the past season has been. This time, only 3 managed 30. We had to go through the 8 most played players before we'd covered half of the seasons selections. 27 players were needed this time. with only 2 playing 2 games or less. Which means our core was a much wider spread of 25 players. There was none of the consistency in team selection of the year previous, and with that comes less opportunity to work up a settled system. I properly love this, like. They are some beautiful pie charts, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Use some different graphs please. http://visuanalyze.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/bad_piecharts/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Those are really pretty graphs, but your logic is flawed on a number of grounds. However, I've looked around at some of your other posts, and I'm not playing with trolls. You think what you like, and spread whatever gospel you choose... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Mmmmm....Pie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 As if people haven't clicked by now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 One thing that chart does show is how few appearances some of our best players have had. Obviously some of them weren't here all season, but still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 As if people haven't clicked by now. I was replying to Inochi, not Raconteur. You think I'm trolling? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 As if people haven't clicked by now. I was replying to Inochi, not Raconteur. You think I'm trolling? If you support or explain anything Pardew does in any way over a long-ish period, a lot of people start saying this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 What the fuck is going on here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 As if people haven't clicked by now. I was replying to Inochi, not Raconteur. You think I'm trolling? If you support or explain anything Pardew does in any way over a long-ish period, a lot of people start saying this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 What the f*** is going on here? Having pies, marra. Looks pretty on the outside but lacks substance inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 http://img4.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-graph-thing-375754.jpeg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Best pie chart here tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 As if people haven't clicked by now. I was replying to Inochi, not Raconteur. You think I'm trolling? I don't think you're trolling at all. Exactly the opposite, to be honest. You're offering clear, concise reasoning to your own opinions. People don't have to agree, as it's still an opinion, but at least you're making an effort to provide your evidence. Those charts do paint a clear picture of your argument in this instance, and they look lovely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 "I don't want Pardew here. Here's 40 pages of reasons why he should stay" Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 I don't think you're trolling at all. Exactly the opposite, to be honest. You're offering clear, concise reasoning to your own opinions. People don't have to agree, as it's still an opinion, but at least you're making an effort to provide your evidence. Those charts do paint a clear picture of your argument in this instance, and they look lovely. Cheers. I was surprised Dave seemed to be suggesting it it because I thought he would know from my previous form on here that I'm not any sort of WUM at all. I know from posting here before that good posters like him and Wullie can easily understand the basic points I'm making, while not necessarily having to agree at all. Can't see anything in those diagrams or the description of them that could be construed as trolling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toondave Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 http://img4.joyreactor.com/pics/post/funny-pictures-auto-graph-thing-375754.jpeg fantastic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Ben Arfa only started 16 league games in both the last two seasons. I know he just wasn't selected for half of last season but I hold out hope that any team interested in him will see his appearance record for us and think better of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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