Skeletor Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Would anyone stomach relegation if it meant Ashley sold the club? It didn't work last time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I wouldn't hold it against any player now if they put in a transfer request and wished to be sold ASAP rather than be messed about under Ashley's dictatorship. They shouldn't be treated like this in the slightest. Absolute shambles. Us fans don't have a choice to get out, they do, i wouldn't begrudge them taking it either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I wouldn't hold it against any player now if they put in a transfer request and wished to be sold ASAP rather than be messed about under Ashley's dictatorship. They shouldn't be treated like this in the slightest. Absolute shambles. Us fans don't have a choice to get out, they do, i wouldn't begrudge them taking it either. I would want them to wait until they had seen if it affects them in any way TBH. For all we know Joe might hardly talk to the players and Pardew might be able to band them together. Slightly wishful thinking, but I do think the relationship between a DoF and the players is quite distant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Would anyone stomach relegation if it meant Ashley sold the club? It didn't work last time. And we could end up with a much worse owner in the Championship. Definitely not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I wouldn't hold it against any player now if they put in a transfer request and wished to be sold ASAP rather than be messed about under Ashley's dictatorship. They shouldn't be treated like this in the slightest. Absolute shambles. Us fans don't have a choice to get out, they do, i wouldn't begrudge them taking it either. I would want them to wait until they had seen if it affects them in any way TBH. For all we know Joe might hardly talk to the players and Pardew might be able to band them together. Slightly wishful thinking, but I do think the relationship between a DoF and the players is quite distant. I agree, I would think the players will just wait and see how it pans out, most of them are probably on their holidays, I doubt they would really be that bothered about what's going on at board level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I wouldn't hold it against any player now if they put in a transfer request and wished to be sold ASAP rather than be messed about under Ashley's dictatorship. They shouldn't be treated like this in the slightest. Absolute shambles. Us fans don't have a choice to get out, they do, i wouldn't begrudge them taking it either. I would want them to wait until they had seen if it affects them in any way TBH. For all we know Joe might hardly talk to the players and Pardew might be able to band them together. Slightly wishful thinking, but I do think the relationship between a DoF and the players is quite distant. They must be even more frustrated than we are with the incidents of the last couple of days. I can't see Pardew being capable of reassuring them that everything is under control at all.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Would anyone stomach relegation if it meant Ashley sold the club? It didn't work last time. not only that but we'll be worth less so he's less likely to sell as he'd be taking more of a hit. wouldn't surprise me if his plan is to stay in the prem without risking relegation till economic times change and someone makes him a decent offer (not necessarily a profit) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 He really is the most pathetic little drama queen that's ever been involved in football. He should be ashamed that he can't act like a real man and a real businessman but instead has to surround himself with snivelling little runts who will do his bidding without arguing back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 tbf i'd say he behaves exactly like a real businessman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Would anyone stomach relegation if it meant Ashley sold the club? It didn't work last time. And we could end up with a much worse owner in the Championship. Definitely not. Worse than on owner who doesn't want the team to be in Europe or have any cup success? At this point I think the only owner who'd be worse would be someone that paved over SJP and shut the club down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I seriously wonder how much he drinks and whether it's affecting his decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 tbf i'd say he behaves exactly like a real businessman. Not like any businessman I know.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I wouldn't mind being a billionaire who's an awful businessman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I wouldn't mind being a billionaire who's an awful businessman. all luck apparently and all he's ever done is sell sporting goods, never had any stock market dealings, dealings with other companies etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 That's some unblievable luck. Shame it hasn't been applied across his other business. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 tbf i'd say he behaves exactly like a real businessman. What I mean is that his decision making at Newcastle has been beyond appalling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I wouldn't hold it against any player now if they put in a transfer request and wished to be sold ASAP rather than be messed about under Ashley's dictatorship. They shouldn't be treated like this in the slightest. Absolute shambles. Us fans don't have a choice to get out, they do, i wouldn't begrudge them taking it either. I would want them to wait until they had seen if it affects them in any way TBH. For all we know Joe might hardly talk to the players and Pardew might be able to band them together. Slightly wishful thinking, but I do think the relationship between a DoF and the players is quite distant. They must be even more frustrated than we are with the incidents of the last couple of days. I can't see Pardew being capable of reassuring them that everything is under control at all.. That's what I’m thinking, players will come back in and want answers from there obvious questions which will be asked. The problem for Pardew is i doubt he can provide them with any answers. It's like the whole mentality can only be for Pardew and the players 'fuck the board, let's do our talking on the pitch'. Just stick together as a group and not jumping ship which Ashley clearly wants a fair few of them to do. It’s a rotten situation for them to be in. A certainly unfair one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 tbf i'd say he behaves exactly like a real businessman. What I mean is that his decision making at Newcastle has been beyond appalling. on the whole, aye, especially where key non playing personnel are concerned. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 He got lucky that his 1st 2 failed businesses were bailed out by his father. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I don't think he got lucky with SD. He's clearly a very succesful business man in the retail world for sports clothing, and I have no desire to question his ability in it. Doesn't mean he's any good at owning/managing a football club evidently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 There are all sorts of businessmen, and all sorts of businesses. Being successful with SD is a great achievement, like Richard Branson succeeding with Virgin is a great achievement, but they couldn't be more different and I doubt one would/could run the others' firm so well. Ashley's business suits him, be ruthless with suppliers, acquisitions and the market, drive prices down, pile it high and sell it cheap to people who have no other option. It doesn't really allow you to draw any conclusions about how good a 'businessman' he is, and it doesn't really mean he should have what it takes to run a football club. Until now I have argued that Ashley wants us to be successful, which he probably does, but I can't for the life of me understand why he keeps lobbing chaos grenades every time things are stabilising. Driven too much by whim, ego and personal opinion is my guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I wouldn't hold it against any player now if they put in a transfer request and wished to be sold ASAP rather than be messed about under Ashley's dictatorship. They shouldn't be treated like this in the slightest. Absolute shambles. Us fans don't have a choice to get out, they do, i wouldn't begrudge them taking it either. I would want them to wait until they had seen if it affects them in any way TBH. For all we know Joe might hardly talk to the players and Pardew might be able to band them together. Slightly wishful thinking, but I do think the relationship between a DoF and the players is quite distant. 2nd that tbh,players are distanced from all the shit unless it directly effects them directly but if the players hear the sound bites coming from JFK they may not be too happy . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 There are all sorts of businessmen, and all sorts of businesses. Being successful with SD is a great achievement, like Richard Branson succeeding with Virgin is a great achievement, but they couldn't be more different and I doubt one would/could run the others' firm so well. Ashley's business suits him, be ruthless with suppliers, acquisitions and the market, drive prices down, pile it high and sell it cheap to people who have no other option. It doesn't really allow you to draw any conclusions about how good a 'businessman' he is, and it doesn't really mean he should have what it takes to run a football club. Until now I have argued that Ashley wants us to be successful, which he probably does, but I can't for the life of me understand why he keeps lobbing chaos grenades every time things are stabilising. Driven too much by whim, ego and personal opinion is my guess. Wonder if Ashley sometimes just doesnt care what he does to us fans and while we are on Ian do you think Ashley knows how to make us successful i.e top 6 finish and cup finals (as we stand that would be successful imho atm) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 There are all sorts of businessmen, and all sorts of businesses. Being successful with SD is a great achievement, like Richard Branson succeeding with Virgin is a great achievement, but they couldn't be more different and I doubt one would/could run the others' firm so well. Ashley's business suits him, be ruthless with suppliers, acquisitions and the market, drive prices down, pile it high and sell it cheap to people who have no other option. It doesn't really allow you to draw any conclusions about how good a 'businessman' he is, and it doesn't really mean he should have what it takes to run a football club. Until now I have argued that Ashley wants us to be successful, which he probably does, but I can't for the life of me understand why he keeps lobbing chaos grenades every time things are stabilising. Driven too much by whim, ego and personal opinion is my guess. Wonder if Ashley sometimes just doesnt care what he does to us fans and while we are on Ian do you think Ashley knows how to make us successful i.e top 6 finish and cup finals (as we stand that would be successful imho atm) I think it's more a case of Ashley has a big ego and thinks he knows best on everything. He probably thinks he's a football guru as well as king of discount sportswear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Can the thread be titled 'Michael Ashley "I am staying - to take the club up the arse" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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