Guest neesy111 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 The fact players were whinging about bonuses, to get a £4m bonus between them just for doing their jobs is a bit of a joke like. It is, but it's standard practice to have them for a professional football club. It's a joke it's got this far and the players had to force their hands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Newcastle meanwhile have resolved their bonus row with their players, after Ashley intervened on Thursday. Newcastle’s players will now receive £4 million if they finish 17th and keep the club in the Premier League and the bonus structure will increase incrementally with each league position. However, the real shock for the players was the offer of a £20 million carrot to end Newcastle’s FA Cup drought since 1955. That was the last time Newcastle won the competition, although they have lost in three finals since then. The record in the FA Cup since Ashley took ownership of Newcastle United from the Hall and Shepherd families in 2007, has been poor, with the club failing to get beyond the fourth round in a decade. The club’s board had gone on record to state that survival in the Premier League and the financial implications that went with it meant cup competitions would be lessened in their significance. That, however, changed on Thursday when Ashley intervened and promised the bonus payment from his own money, not from the club’s finances. Ashley has told club officials that the policy u-turn will now see Newcastle throw everything into finally ending their 63-year wait for domestic silverware. Out in the 3rd round then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 The fact players were whinging about bonuses, to get a £4m bonus between them just for doing their jobs is a bit of a joke like. Isn't this exactly the same as what you're always on about with wages? Why shouldn't they be paid the same as other clubs offer their players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pons Alias Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 There's his reason to get rid of Rafa... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Must be planning to sell some shares because he doesn't have access to that sort of money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 That's not what I mean, that's probably £150-200k a head which is about a month's wage to them. Point is they must have known they'd be getting a bonus so not sure what the fuss was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 He has promised Rafa £150m for the January transfer window if he can lick his own elbow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 anyone know the statistical odds of winning it? It's basically a sure thing bet for him, very unlikely to happen, drop in the ocean if it does. I really f***ing despise him. Edit: We are 40/1 as far as i can see You can get 50/1 quite easily, I posted a link 2 or 3 pages ago. Again (To everyone, not you): Mike Ashley is not putting up £20m. He's staked £400k @ 50/1 and will use the winnings to pay the players. This saves him over £600k vs what he was going to offer for league placings, ie £1m+ depending on position, which would have been much harder to cover with a bet as the odds of us finishing 17th or greater are nowhere near 50/1. He's a known big-time gambler and I'm as sure as anything I've ever been sure on that this is what he's done. This is not affecting our transfer budget at all This is not costing Mike Ashley £20m, nor is he risking £20m if we do win it This is not money we could have spent on players by Rafa, in fact if anything Rafa now has an extra £600k to spend because of this though of course a far more likely outcome is a guesswhowinsagain moment where he just trousers the difference I hate that fat cunt as much as anyone for what he's done to the club, and this offer is still shit for a number of reasons, but let's not pretend this £20m is anything that it's not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Heard you the first and second time. As if he'd get away with a £400,000 stake. This isn't the stock market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
louistoon Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 anyone know the statistical odds of winning it? It's basically a sure thing bet for him, very unlikely to happen, drop in the ocean if it does. I really f***ing despise him. Edit: We are 40/1 as far as i can see You can get 50/1 quite easily, I posted a link 2 or 3 pages ago. Again (To everyone, not you): Mike Ashley is not putting up £20m. He's staked £400k @ 50/1 and will use the winnings to pay the players. This saves him over £600k vs what he was going to offer for league placings, ie £1m+ depending on position, which would have been much harder to cover with a bet as the odds of us finishing 17th or greater are nowhere near 50/1. He's a known big-time gambler and I'm as sure as anything I've ever been sure on that this is what he's done. This is not affecting our transfer budget at all This is not costing Mike Ashley £20m, nor is he risking £20m if we do win it This is not money we could have spent on players by Rafa, in fact if anything Rafa now has an extra £600k to spend because of this though of course a far more likely outcome is a guesswhowinsagain moment where he just trousers the difference I hate that fat c*** as much as anyone for what he's done to the club, and this offer is still s*** for a number of reasons, but let's not pretend this £20m is anything that it's not. You're probably on the money here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
louistoon Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Heard you the first and second time. As if he'd get away with a £400,000 stake. This isn't the stock market. He could get someone to take it. Its not like he'll be logging on to his bet365 account he's probably on first name terms with the owner of several casinos. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Heard you the first and second time. As if he'd get away with a £400,000 stake. This isn't the stock market. He could get someone to take it. Its not like he'll be logging on to his bet365 account he's probably on first name terms with the owner of several casinos. I reckon a £400,000 bet on us winning the fa cup wouldn't go unnoticed by the authorities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Heard you the first and second time. As if he'd get away with a £400,000 stake. This isn't the stock market. He could get someone to take it. Its not like he'll be logging on to his bet365 account he's probably on first name terms with the owner of several casinos. All of which are gagging to offer 50/1 odds and risk having to pay out £20 million in cash I'm sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Let's not pretend it's not something that someone on the internet has come up with based on nothing? Anything's a possibility with Ashley, I don't think you can whip out the Let's Not Pretends on that theory of all theories. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Heard you the first and second time. As if he'd get away with a £400,000 stake. This isn't the stock market. He could get insurance. A local business in Cleveland took out $75,000 in insurance on their 'if the Indians win 15 in a row, every customer in August gets a refund' for their windows and siding installation business. They just paid out because the Indians have won 17 in a row. The business owner said the pay out would be $1.7m. Glad he got insurance. Edit: story here: https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/08/cleveland-company-to-pay-out-1-point-7-million-after-indians-win-15th.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 https://www.cheekypunter.com/faq/what-is-the-maximum-possible-bet-amount/ Come on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
louistoon Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Heard you the first and second time. As if he'd get away with a £400,000 stake. This isn't the stock market. He could get someone to take it. Its not like he'll be logging on to his bet365 account he's probably on first name terms with the owner of several casinos. All of which are gagging to offer 50/1 odds and risk having to pay out £20 million in cash I'm sure. I'm sure the odds would be much less to reflect the size of the bet, but your point is that he wouldn't be able to get anyone to take it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Do you reckon he got his £50 free bet for putting £400K on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Can't belief this is even being discussed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 The funniest thing about this entire theory is the concept of Ashley being willing to lose £400,000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 I'm 100% certain an insurance company would offer him a policy and it would be close to 50/1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
louistoon Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 https://www.cheekypunter.com/faq/what-is-the-maximum-possible-bet-amount/ Come on. And as i said, Ashley is a billionaire and the normal rules probably don't apply. If he is doing something like this he won't be doing this by walking in to Ladbrokes with a wad of cash. If he was to do it I'd expect it would be with a Casino. (or via an insurance policy as Pip said). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
louistoon Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 The funniest thing about this entire theory is the concept of Ashley being willing to lose £400,000. Not sure if serious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Sorry, what are you basing this all on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted September 10, 2017 Share Posted September 10, 2017 Mike Ashley isn't allowed to bet on any football as per FA rules. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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