Dogawful Officiating - Dave Coote suspended

[Andy]

Challenges  fuck offfff man

 

Let's just go all-in on making VAR centre stage - scrap new football altogether and replace it with 90 minutes of VARing old football games to make them more accurate instead, with points being reallocated accordingly, we can even re-VAR the VAR when that gets old.

 

Literally a better spectacle than a challenge system will end up being. 

[Wolfcastle]

If this gets normalised the next generation will see the challenges as part of the entertainment and do the unison clap thing they do in tennis.

Will be worth a manager throwing a hail Mary revie if the other team scores a late goal, even if he didn't see anything wrong with it, just in case CSIVAR can find a reason, might get lucky. Wouldn't even blame them for trying

 

 

 

Edited May 17 by Wolfcastle

[toontownman]

Fuck the fuck off with this challenges idea. And sack off whomever suggested it. Yes it's following "tennis" definitely not the market that is pushing hard to get premier league games played in their home country.

[wormy]

2 hours ago, Cf said:

Cf's plan to reduce how much VAR slows down the game:

 

Instead of two halves to a match instead have four 15 minute halves with a 5 minute break after each so we can watch some adverts.

 

During each half VAR will review the various decisions as we go along with a view to correcting them at the end of the half.

• Goals wrongly awarded or not are taken/added as appropriate.
• Any penalties that should have been given are given now.
• Any penalties that were wrongly given are balanced by giving a penalty to the other side.
• Same idea with red cards. If a player was wrongly sent off they're allowed back on and the other team have to lose a player in the same position for the same amount of time in the next half. If someone wasn't sent off when they should have been then they're sent off and also they have to lose another player for the amount of time the other player was on the pitch that shouldn't have been. If this happens in the last half then the other team can request another half to the game and this process continues until no-one has been sent off in the last half.

This will be the game in 10 years time.

 

Can we also give each team one chance each match for a 15 minute half of their choice to be simmed via AI?

[Keegans Export]

The "Challenge" thing doesn't really change the main issues with VAR, namely how much it slows the game down (especially for match-going fans) and the fact that they still seem to get decisions wrong on a fairly regular basis. It hasn't removed the controversy, it's just shifted it from one ref on the pitch cocking up to one ref on the pitch and two refs watching a screen cocking up.

[Bally21]

This challenge thing is ridiculous, I mean can you imagine, its f*cking madness man.

[ohmelads]

20 hours ago, Solitude20 said:

 

It’s not just about offside, what about penalties? In the 20-21 season, 125 penalties were given, and 23% of those penalties were given after referring to VAR. Even if you disagree with some of those decisions, I am sure most of those were rightfully given. In the same season, 22 penalty calls were overturned after referring to VAR as the they were deemed too soft. Those are significant numbers, and even if the minority of those calls were wrong, we would be fuming if the ref made a wrong call against us if VAR didn’t exist. Gordon’s penalty wasn’t given last game even after referring to VAR, well that sucked, but it wouldn’t have been given without VAR either. At least such controversial calls are just the exception now, not the norm. 
 

what about handballs or possible red cards? I mean, the hand of god goal wouldn’t have stood if we had VAR, and the examples are too many. I am actually surprised that some are calling to go back to the earlier days when mistakes were a normal part of the sport. From the tip of my head, a significant number of our penalties were given after going back to VAR. 

 

You're posting this a day after Gordon's completely indisputable pen wasn't given. The hand of god goal may or may not have stood under VAR depending on whether or not the VAR was on the toilet or wanted to offend the ref on the field or whatever the reasons are for missing these blatant calls.

 

We are all (across all clubs) complaining about awful decisions just as much as we used to. Sometimes VAR gets correct decisions that used to be missed, and sometimes it re-refs good decisions/non-decisions that used to stand. I'm not convinced officiating is any fairer. 

[The Prophet]

 

Wut

[Armchair Pundit]

https://www.themag.co.uk/2024/05/anthony-gordon-penalty-incident-at-old-trafford-premier-league-panel-rule-on-decision-manchester-united-3-newcastle-united-2/

 

[TheHoob]

dubious hard drive panel more like 

 

 

Edited May 18 by TheHoob

[Dr Venkman]

Challenge idea can work as long as they change the question from ‘was it a clear and obvious error’ to ‘is it a foul?’ Or whatever the case may be.

[ponsaelius]

Can somebody explain how it wasn't a pen for us today? The actual trip on Hall that caused him to fall was comfortably inside the box.

[snabelkabel]

Amazing how many fouls Nørgaard got away with(without being booked)… Felt we got a yellow everytime.. 

 

 

Edited May 19 by snabelkabel

[arnonel]

Big joe does one pull back - yellow

Norgaard does 6 - nothing

[OhSholaAmeobi]

2 minutes ago, snabelkabel said:

Amazing how many fouls Nørgaard got away with(without being booked)… Felt we got a yellow everytime.. 

 

 

 

Think it was the Bournemouth game where Christie made 7 fouls without being booked, and at least 3 of them were yellow card worthy. I'm all for not booking someone the minute they do a foul but after 3 cynical trips the yellow needs to come out. Krafth got booked when there was no way he could've got out of the way of Wissa - always find them ones silly. Like what's he supposed to do?

[Kid Icarus]

Consistently shocking today.

 

Not only was the contact in the box, but I'm convinced they drew the line on the Brentford player further forward than it should have been. 

[Nobody]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

Consistently shocking today.

 

Not only was the contact in the box, but I'm convinced they drew the line on the Brentford player further forward than it should have been. 

The offside for the Longstaff goal looks all kinds of wrong like

There was a shirt pull on Anderson IIRC that was absolutely incredible how it didn't get punished with a booking. 

[Mikky]

1 hour ago, ponsaelius said:

Can somebody explain how it wasn't a pen for us today? The actual trip on Hall that caused him to fall was comfortably inside the box.

I’ve been a massive advocate of drug testing the VAR officials before and after - convinced the smoke crack during the game 

[huss9]

how the fuck did they rule out a 4th for mateta this afternoon. shocking.

[Checko]

EDIT: I'm wrong about this, as craigmadge points out

 

For their second goal, Toney wins the intial flick on but he was about 5 yards offside when it was played forward to him, (see 8.10 when the goalie launches it forward), so that shouldn't have stood. Would have been a shame as it was an outrageous finish but still, rulez is rulez.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 20 by Checko

[Erikse]

On 17/05/2024 at 18:32, ohmelads said:

 

You're posting this a day after Gordon's completely indisputable pen wasn't given. The hand of god goal may or may not have stood under VAR depending on whether or not the VAR was on the toilet or wanted to offend the ref on the field or whatever the reasons are for missing these blatant calls.

 

We are all (across all clubs) complaining about awful decisions just as much as we used to. Sometimes VAR gets correct decisions that used to be missed, and sometimes it re-refs good decisions/non-decisions that used to stand. I'm not convinced officiating is any fairer. 

 

That's because you remember all the mistakes and forget about it everytime they overturn something obvious from incorrect to correct. I also don't walk around remembering all the correct things that VAR do, that isn't normal. What is normal is to talk about the mistakes, because every mistake that VAR does gets a bunch of attention. Because of this it feels like there isn't an improvement on the rate of mistakes, but it is. And it's significant.

 

For example, anytime VAR makes a mistake, it's very rarely the correct decision to begin with anyways (contrary to what you're saying). It's usually because they don't think it's a clear and obvious error. I'm sure you can refer to some instances where they might have overturned a correct decision, but there are not many examples of that. Typically we happen to remember some of the few that actually happened, like the PSG game. We don't remember the all the instances where they overturn something incorrect, which is way more frequent. Because that is an expectation, as it should be.

 

 

Edited May 20 by Erikse

[Checko]

There's also some subtle stuff with VAR - like less outright diving in the box because players know it'll get picked up on. Yes there's a bit still, but probably less than there was before.

[Groundhog63]

27 minutes ago, Checko said:

There's also some subtle stuff with VAR - like less outright diving in the box because players know it'll get picked up on. Yes there's a bit still, but probably less than there was before.

Good point 

[Erikse]

On 17/05/2024 at 10:09, Begbie said:

I dont get it why the VAR team is revealed before kickoff. imo they should be like the Stig, we shouldnt be allowed to know who they are.

These clear and obvious rules should also just dissapear, it should be black and white, if its a foul its a foul.  Put more cameras on the field and get random computer geeks to watch it as they will most likely see it much quicker. Pay them like a normall job, if they dont do their job just sack them and replace them with new ones.

 

This. With all the money and technology they have, or could potensially have had at their disposal, and they don't have conclusive evidence as to whether a ball has crossed the line for a goalkick right before the goal? Why not have more cameras in the right angles, and/or some goalline technology for that aswell? Surely they can afford it?

 

 

Edited May 20 by Erikse

[craigmadge]

57 minutes ago, Checko said:

For their second goal, Toney wins the intial flick on but he was about 5 yards offside when it was played forward to him, (see 8.10 when the goalie launches it forward), so that shouldn't have stood. Would have been a shame as it was an outrageous finish but still, rulez is rulez.

 

 

 

 

 

Can’t be offside from a goal kick