Disco Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Don't have half the passion/excitement for International football that I do for Newcastle but it's sad seeing so many English people not giving a f***/wanting us to do badly. I can understand why with the modern footballer but it still feels very, very wrong. Dunno if I'd go so far as to say I want England to do badly, but I just don't care. Wish it wasn't the case. Yup. Same old players serving up the same old shit. Why bother? Can understand more people not caring, despite my previous comment (not the beer one above) I'm nowhere near England as I am Newcastle but people actively cheering on other teams against them? Don't get it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 It's almost less about the players, though their attitude on the pitch for last few tournaments has been pathetic, as much as the media, the hype, the awful analysis, the dreadful puffing up of Stewart Downing etc etc, it's an awful circus that turns a blind eye to the failures of the country in producing great players, and the attitude of the players themselves, and the only way that'll change is if the media stops being able to sell that story to disaffected fans like us. It's especially bad because the england team seems so bereft of a footballing identity, they do not represent all that is good about the premier league, they represent all the bad, the over paid idiots, the aggression without an end and a suspicion of tactics. If the England team could represent all that is good about the english game, the swashbucking attack, the physicality and hard work of it and the never say die attitude, but i suspect that all lies more in the foreign players in our league now than anyone in the England squad. So I'll support France, I'll enjoy watching the games, and I'll feel genuine attachment to Ben Arfa and Cabaye. I'll probably still kind of hope we do ok with England, but on the other hand also feel the worse our band of idiots do hopefully someone somewhere will sort out the catastrophe of our youth system etc etc etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I don't see the issue with preferring our players to do well, England is my country but the side is full of the same horrible pricks it has for years and they play boring, insipid football. The media are detestable and the coverage and hype nauseating. Couldn't give a f*** if we go out at the earliest stage, I'd rather just watch some good football. The last World Cup was f***ing disgraceful IMO and for me it was the final straw, particularly given the net result of the FA's 'root and branch investigation' was that Emile Heskey retired. It's a pity I feel this way about our national team but I do. f*** them. I feel the same way and have done apart from when Bobby was manager and Waddle, Gazza and Beardsley were playing. For most of my time as a football supporter England have mainly been a team full of players who play for teams I can't stand during the season so why change once the season is over? thirded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Personally i don't like the players combined with the fact i haven't felt attached to the national team since Shearer retired means i just couldn't really give a toss. I feel that just because iam English don't mean i should have to support or care about a team which is feel of players i don't like professionally and personally. I thought you were foreign Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I think it would help if all of players on the pitch deserved to be there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 Personally i don't like the players combined with the fact i haven't felt attached to the national team since Shearer retired means i just couldn't really give a toss. I feel that just because iam English don't mean i should have to support or care about a team which is feel of players i don't like professionally and personally. I thought you were foreign Well iam from London so i suppose you could say that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QBG Posted May 29, 2012 Share Posted May 29, 2012 I don't see the issue with preferring our players to do well, England is my country but the side is full of the same horrible pricks it has for years and they play boring, insipid football. The media are detestable and the coverage and hype nauseating. Couldn't give a f*** if we go out at the earliest stage, I'd rather just watch some good football. The last World Cup was f***ing disgraceful IMO and for me it was the final straw, particularly given the net result of the FA's 'root and branch investigation' was that Emile Heskey retired. It's a pity I feel this way about our national team but I do. f*** them. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I don't see the issue with preferring our players to do well, England is my country but the side is full of the same horrible pricks it has for years and they play boring, insipid football. The media are detestable and the coverage and hype nauseating. Couldn't give a f*** if we go out at the earliest stage, I'd rather just watch some good football. The last World Cup was f***ing disgraceful IMO and for me it was the final straw, particularly given the net result of the FA's 'root and branch investigation' was that Emile Heskey retired. It's a pity I feel this way about our national team but I do. f*** them. I feel the same way and have done apart from when Bobby was manager and Waddle, Gazza and Beardsley were playing. For most of my time as a football supporter England have mainly been a team full of players who play for teams I can't stand during the season so why change once the season is over? thirded. Couldnt understand that less tbh. If any of these players everyone has random bitterness towards represented Newcastle impressively the majority of our fanbase would forgive their flaws within seconds aslong as they did well. So its a bit farcical for me not to do the same with England. They are representing the country you were born in directly, far moreso than these French lads are representing Newcastle in these tournaments. No idea how any English person could support France over people representing your own country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Quote in an interview with some French paper. "Ever since I was a child I have dreamed about winning the Ballon D'Or. Now, I am ready". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemag Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Quote in an interview with some French paper. "Ever since I was a child I have dreamed about winning the Ballon D'Or. Now, I am ready". For Hatem to win the Ballon D'Or hes going to have to single handedly win us the premier league and get us deep into the Champions league. Hell need to score around 30 premier league goals and assist around 20 to get anywhere near Messi and Ronaldo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk77 Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 http://www.nufcfans.co.uk/i-feel-happy-and-comfortable-with-my-surroundings-hatem/? http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/578306_213342885452906_1514310970_n.jpg Where would Hatem Ben Arfa be if it wasn’t for Newcastle securing him on a season long loan deal from Marseille back in 2010? The answer? “I was ready to stay until the end of my contract and not play for a year.“ And so it transpires that if it hadn’t been for NUFC’s rescue act, the world would have missed out on seeing a genius bless us with his trickery on the pitch. Today, just under two years later, Ben Arfa has fought his way back into the France Euro 2012 squad with a series of impressive performances on Tyneside. Hatem has been speaking to French culture magazine Les Inrocks, about his revival in the North East. At 25, the world is at his feet and he has been given another chance to capture the moment by Laurent Blanc. “I feel happy and comfortable with my surroundings. It does not surprise me that he [blanc] has selected me. I deserved it. “My ambition is to win [Euro 2012].” Ben Arfa admits he’s always carried an angry streak, but one which he is now using to benefit him on the pitch. Speaking about his battle to move to Newcastle after burning his bridges at Marseille, he adds: “We had agreed to something with the club [Newcastle]. I was within my right and okay with it. “I waited quietly in my apartment in Paris. If the situation had not moved forward, I would have stayed like that.” Despite failing to make the France squad for Euro 2008 and World Cup 2010, Ben Arfa has a lot of respect for his teacher Raymond Domenech: “His words touched me, he took time to talk to me, saying stuff like ‘Your passion should serve you on the ground, not run against you.’ “I felt a real affection, he was protective and sincere.” “At times, due to the pressures, constraints and obligations, I doubted my love for football. When I returned from injury at Newcastle last year, my passion had left me. I thought football didn’t resemble what I had once fallen in love with. “Then, slowly, I rediscovered my passion and enjoyment of the game.” Does Ben Arfa still want to become the best player in the world? Too right, he does: “Since I was a little boy, I’ve dreamt of lifting the world cup. Today I am ready for it.” “I lost some time during my career, but the difficulties I have overcome have made me stronger.” On the evidence of the last six month, Ben Arfa seems to be better than ever before. Watch out England, King Hatem is flying. King Hatem, I kind of liked that.... :smitten: :smitten: :smitten: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 France and Holland (and Catts) for me, like. I support Newcastle and Newcastle players, and feel absolutely no affinity to the England team unless they have some Newcastle players in the team/squad. For that reason I'll be supporting Cabaye and Ben Arfa and hope they both do brilliantly, and will also support Krul if he gets any game time. Genuinely couldn't care less how England do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 He doesn't say World Cup though, says Ballon D'Or. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Does that mean "the last footballer"? So pleased for him to be genuinely loving his football and playing well again. The stage is set for him to perform at the Euros. Wouldn't be surprised if France went further than a lot of people think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Don't have half the passion/excitement for International football that I do for Newcastle but it's sad seeing so many English people not giving a f***/wanting us to do badly. I can understand why with the modern footballer but it still feels very, very wrong. Dunno if I'd go so far as to say I want England to do badly, but I just don't care. Wish it wasn't the case. Yup. Same old players serving up the same old shit. Why bother? I'm always a little bit indifferent towards England at the start of a tournament. Because the seasons just ended and my focus has been on Newcastle all year. But as the games go along I usually get more and more into it to the point were I'm desperate for England to win. Though I have to say this time I feel especially indifferent. I just don't like any England payer this year, they're pretty much all toss pots. But I still expect to be on the edge of my seat desperate for a win by the end of the groups. I means if England come up against Germany again who here wouldn't be desperate to beat the cunts? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 France v Serbia on ESPN tomorrow as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 France v Serbia on ESPN tomorrow as well. Should be a decent test, hoping to see more of Ben Arfa and Cabaye Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Fancy a cheeky £1 on him being top scorer at the Euros. Cant find him anywhere though................ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Fancy a cheeky £1 on him being top scorer at the Euros. Cant find him anywhere though................ 150/1 on Bet365, 290 on Betfair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 He might contribute to Benzema being top goalscorer but he won't be himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Phil K Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Dave said one thing about the South African world cup, and how crap it was. Never gave it much thought before, and with the effing media, you couldn't say anything negative about South Africa. But he was right when I thought about it. It got so I stopped watching. The worst World Cup EVER And those ********* vuvezelas just made it worse (Thank got it never caught on anywhere else in the world) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Fancy a cheeky £1 on him being top scorer at the Euros. Cant find him anywhere though................ 150/1 on Bet365, 290 on Betfair. I'd go with betfair Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sophie S Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 I'm always a little bit indifferent towards England at the start of a tournament. Because the seasons just ended and my focus has been on Newcastle all year. But as the games go along I usually get more and more into it to the point were I'm desperate for England to win. Though I have to say this time I feel especially indifferent. I just don't like any England payer this year, they're pretty much all toss pots. But I still expect to be on the edge of my seat desperate for a win by the end of the groups. I means if England come up against Germany again who here wouldn't be desperate to beat the c***s? I'd much rather see more of the entertaining football that Germany has played in recent tournaments than the boring stuff the English team has shown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 Does that mean "the last footballer"? yes, "the last footballer". The diary describe him as a footballer of the old days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted May 30, 2012 Share Posted May 30, 2012 France v Serbia on ESPN tomorrow as well. Should be a decent test, hoping to see more of Ben Arfa and Cabaye Seven changes are expected , from the game against Iceland. Cabaye is starting tomorrow (Nasri, Benzema, Mexes are the others "survivors") Ben Arfa is on the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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