Rich Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Match defining moments that he tends to make with his own ability in the first place. As yesterday where he performed a sublime turn on halfway to beat a man and then scampered past another couple before overhitting the pass. He should've done better, but there is no other player in our team (nor many in the league) who could've created that opportunity at all. He's the last person people should be on at, but of course he shouldn't be totally immune to criticism. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 nothing whatsoever was going to happen for us in that game yesterday unless HBA did it entirely on his own, we said the same watching the match and it proved to be so if he ever gets to play in a team with decent movement around him he's going to be fucking devastating, at best with us he has 1 striker making a run once or twice in a match, the rest of the time everyone is on the back foot and stood in rigid formation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Match defining moments that he tends to make with his own ability in the first place. As yesterday where he performed a sublime turn on halfway to beat a man and then scampered past another couple before overhitting the pass. He should've done better, but there is no other player in our team (nor many in the league) who could've created that opportunity at all. He's the last person people should be on at. This. He was hit and miss against Liverpool and he tried to do too much at times yesterday. Despite this, he was still one of our best players over the two games. The fact he's the only player that can breathe attacking life into this moribund (classic Partridge) team is a huge worry. As you point out, we have nobody else that creates, beats a man or looks to run with the ball. I can't quite believe he is getting stick, when there are so many other players performing terribly on a consistent basis. Baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 He's the smallest part of the problem lunchbox, he's created a lot of opportunities for others this year and did so last year too. I don't recall him having many passing options at all today and with the way we've been playing he should be encouraged to do something different because the 'simple game' for us has been tragically bad so far and created nothing. I thought he had a good first half but a poorer second one. really? Do you? Or are you going to continue to highlight a very vague Cabaye incident? The movement around the lad is horrendous. To clarify I'm not on the HBA is s***/not a team player side of the argument, but how about when we broke and he had Demba Ba to his right (movement around him) for a relatively easy set up and he overhit it towards the corner flag? But he did actually try to pass in this incident which surely supports the "he passes when he has options" argument? I didn't say he doesn't pass. The counter argument was there was no movement around him, which there evidently was in this case. He did pass to his credit, but the move broke down as the pass was so bad. As I said, even on a bad day like yesterday he's still one of our better players, but with his quality you would expect him to be able to play in the striker in an instance like that, just like last week with Cisse, and he failed to do it. Those are match defining moments where he should do better, especially with his quality. There might be the occasional moment but on the whole we are unbelievably static, our movement is shocking, surely you must see that? It's just even more infuriating when Ben Arfa's on the ball because he actually regularly creates space for others but we never capitalise or even gamble on it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Should be shifted over to the left side of midfield. Why? Because our left defender, leftback and left sided midfielders are all better passers and attackminded then the right side of our team. They will get into better positions for one-twos. They will get the ball to HBA in better positions. And tbf, hba can do whatever he wants with the ball, he has proven he can cut inside and fire a shot with his right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think he's looked poor and wasted whenever he's played on the left. He should be further up the field. Whether that's wide in a 3 or in a free role I don't really care. Would just be nice to use him properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Removed him from fantasy to free him from being jinxed by me. hopefully he will now have his best games ever over the few weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 He's the smallest part of the problem lunchbox, he's created a lot of opportunities for others this year and did so last year too. I don't recall him having many passing options at all today and with the way we've been playing he should be encouraged to do something different because the 'simple game' for us has been tragically bad so far and created nothing. I thought he had a good first half but a poorer second one. really? Do you? Or are you going to continue to highlight a very vague Cabaye incident? The movement around the lad is horrendous. To clarify I'm not on the HBA is s***/not a team player side of the argument, but how about when we broke and he had Demba Ba to his right (movement around him) for a relatively easy set up and he overhit it towards the corner flag? But he did actually try to pass in this incident which surely supports the "he passes when he has options" argument? I didn't say he doesn't pass. The counter argument was there was no movement around him, which there evidently was in this case. He did pass to his credit, but the move broke down as the pass was so bad. As I said, even on a bad day like yesterday he's still one of our better players, but with his quality you would expect him to be able to play in the striker in an instance like that, just like last week with Cisse, and he failed to do it. Those are match defining moments where he should do better, especially with his quality. There might be the occasional moment but on the whole we are unbelievably static, our movement is shocking, surely you must see that? It's just even more infuriating when Ben Arfa's on the ball because he actually regularly creates space for others but we never capitalise or even gamble on it. Oh I agree our movement is shocking, especially in the box. People often criticise Obertan's end product for example, but he put in a decent ball at the near post yesterday late in the game, where both Shola and Ba were completely immobile. I can't figure out why we apparently don't work on having one striker sit back on the penalty spot in space and one attacking the near post, to give people options to pass to. As I've said before I'm not having a go at Ben Arfa specifically; he is without a doubt one of our best players and the most likely to make anything happen, but he's not beyond critisism either. The whole team has been underperforming this season so far, and it's affected Ben Arfa too, as he's notably less effective than earlier in the season. It appears to me that Pardew and the coaching staff are not really working on our forward play, expecting the quality of the players to always give us a chance, whilst they work on being defensively solid as the main priority. In their defense (no pun intended), we haven't had a settled back 5 so far this season due to injuries and suspensions, so it's probably understandable that a lot of work between matches goes into preparing an unsettled back 5 for the upcoming task of defending a specific opponent. Last season in the first half of the season, where we laid the foundations of our excellent campaign, we had the benefit of having a settled if unspectacular back 5 and could concentrate on automatisms in going forward. This season it appears our midfield and attack haven't got a clue on where to move in which situation, and we often see a lack of imaginative movement, people going for the same ball, no width to our play, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'm terrified we'll lose him if this keeps happening. I know I shouldn't be, but he's easily the most talented player I've seen play for us and he has Danny Simpson for support. Debuchy-gate was a right royal fuck up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 He's got too much going for him to keep suffering. I think he loves playing for a club where he's loved like he's never been before. He knows that things can easily turn sour at other places. However, any remotely talented and ambitious player would be fucking livid with the way we approach games and our footballing philosophy. Pardew's decision to revert to Shola rather than go with three in the middle speaks volumes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 We rely on him for absolutely everything going forward. He's a fucking fantastic player and can do remarkable things with a football, but he can't do it all, all the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VanBarduck Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Perch Williamson Taylor Cabaye Santon Tioté Bigirimana Ferguson Ben Arfa Ba I've been dreaming for a long time of this formation , similar to juventus tactic's , three man defence , cabaye in as a quaterback controlling the midfield a la pirlo , protected by the two tioté , Ferguson and Santon very high in the pitch , providing good crosses , and ben arfa near demba ba , in a false 9 role , what do you think ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Coloccini? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I imagine that formation and tactic looks weird as fuck to most English looking at it like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Why bother? We had 2 months of good football and great results with our best system last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Would be interesting if our players were fairly disciplined in their positions. If Santon/Ferguson decide to wander there would be epic gaps. Also, not sure about having Cabaye so deep. Tiote is decent in that sort of role and he's not too bad on the ball as well as being a destroyer. He's an idiot, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Why bother? We had 2 months of good football and great results with our best system last season. And yes, this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Why bother? We had 2 months of good football and great results with our best system last season. Exactly. The wall is fucking made out of the writing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VanBarduck Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Would be interesting if our players were fairly disciplined in their positions. If Santon/Ferguson decide to wander there would be epic gaps. Also, not sure about having Cabaye so deep. Tiote is decent in that sort of role and he's not too bad on the ball as well as being a destroyer. He's an idiot, though. having the most technically gifted midfielder in a deep position seems disturbing , but when you look at busquets , pirlo , verratti , arteta , allen , schweinsteiger, Miguel veloso etc.. It´s becoming a new rule of modern football , cabaye have more "football IQ" than tioté , cabaye vs Spain in second half as a n°6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Fair point, I've always agreed that having a DM capable of starting moves and breaking up play is very important and a feature of many top, top teams. Not sure it would maximise Cabaye's usefulness, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Anita was made for that role. Can't ever see us playing 3 at the back though, so it's a non-starter and rightfully so if you ask me. Also, Perch and Williams ahead of Colo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Would be interesting if our players were fairly disciplined in their positions. If Santon/Ferguson decide to wander there would be epic gaps. Also, not sure about having Cabaye so deep. Tiote is decent in that sort of role and he's not too bad on the ball as well as being a destroyer. He's an idiot, though. having the most technically gifted midfielder in a deep position seems disturbing , but when you look at busquets , pirlo , verratti , arteta , allen , schweinsteiger, Miguel veloso etc.. It´s becoming a new rule of modern football , cabaye have more "football IQ" than tioté , cabaye vs Spain in second half as a n°6 That's fine and dandy for them but unlike those teams we don't have playing like Iniesta, Ozil and Moutinho ahead of Cabaye. If we had an AM who was creative and could pitch in with some goals then fair enough but players Cabaye deeper than Tiote is ridiculous. Everyone knows what we need to do anyway except for Pardew apparently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Cabayes first set piece in that video, deliver like that and we might actually score for once. He can clearly do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Anita was made for that role. Can't ever see us playing 3 at the back though, so it's a non-starter and rightfully so if you ask me. Also, Perch and Williams ahead of Colo? Agree we just don't have the squad for 3 at the back.. no matter how try it it just looks unbalanced. Best we could do is this ----------------Krul -------Tayls---Colo-----Perch----- Santon-------------------------Fergie ---------Cab---------Tiote-- ---------------Benny --------Ba--------------Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'm pretty sure he (Cabaye) used to whip them in flat right on the keeper when he first came here too and it caused problems. Fuck knows what is happening now but I'm starting to think that Pardew is just taking the piss. It's just one of many things that clearly isn't working yet we are still persisting with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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