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Might not want the players sat on a coach for 2~hours on game day.

They fly everywhere.

They flew to Bolton at 9PM on Christmas Day.

 

When I got down to Bolton on Boxing Day the team coach was outside the staidum.

Aye, the players only used it to travel from the airport to the hotel to the ground and back to the airport though. Coach travels down with only the kit in it from Newcastle.
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Aye it's quite unusual that the team would use a coach, last year they made the trip from Manchester Aiport to Bolton on rollerskates.

 

True story. I seen them causing chaos in the Trafford Centre in the night before. Shola was being chased by a security guard through John Lewis'.

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My mates got a Ben Arfa 32 shirt :lol:

 

He couldn't care less he was off to Afghan and wanted a shirt - this was before the numbers were released and I told him 1000 times Hatem was going to be number 10.

 

(3+7=10, he originally wanted number 55...)

 

 

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From today's training pics Ben Arfa & Ba were both wearing the yellow bibs in the practice match, so if the bibs are to be believed again he might be starting

 

:megusta: I have faith in the Holy Bibs.

 

Gabriel Obertan not in a bib.

 

:pokerface:

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HATEM Ben Arfa’s game-changing contribution might have turned the tide at Bolton, but he still has a way to go to convince Alan Pardew.

 

Newcastle United’s manager was thankful for Ben Arfa’s critical goal at the Reebok but he is not buying talk that the mercurial Parisian was the star of the show in the North West.

 

Ben Arfa has become a cause celebre for some, who believe his phenomenal talent is too good to leave on the bench. But for Pardew it remains a case of being patient with the forward as he continues to build sharpness after months spent on the sidelines with a serious injury. And that may mean another run-out for hard-working Leon Best at Anfield, where Newcastle will need all hands on deck to end nearly two decades of Merseyside misery.

 

“He did really well? He scored. Hatem is a player that is looking to get back to his best. I still don't think he is there yet,” he said.

 

“I am not surprised after the injury he had. But that first goal will have helped his confidence. That bodes well, especially with Demba going away.”

 

The loss of Ba towards the end of January will be a significant blow for United, who have been reliant on the striker for goals since the Senegal international overcame his slow start to the season. He now sits below only Robin Van Persie and Sergio Aguero in the top flight’s top marksmen list but Pardew is not at all surprised by the impact he has had since his Tyneside switch.

 

“I'm not surprised by Ba's record. You look at it and think 'wow' that's fantastic,” he said.

 

“But I am not surprised by anything he has done. I always thought he was a good player. Last year he played out of position sometimes, in a wide area for West Ham and still did a job.

 

“You have to admire the way he is as a person to deliver the best he can in whatever position he is in.”

 

 

 

Something is bugging me about the bolded sentence.

 

How come with other players, like Loven, Obertan and Perch, they get 'they were fantastic for us, done a real good job' and HBA is getting this shit?

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Take Newcastle's Boxing Day win over Bolton for example. One minute, more than 4,000 travelling supporters were lauding the Frenchman for the clinical strike that set up a deserved 2-0 win. The next, his manager, Alan Pardew, was berating him for tamely conceding possession to Chris Eagles and then failing to track the Bolton substitute back towards Newcastle's penalty area.

 

There, in a nutshell, was the equation that needs weighing up. Do you accept the 24-year-old's defensive limitations in order to maximise your side's attacking threat, or is it better to limit your attacking ambitions in order to guarantee some midfield protection in front of the back four?

 

For most of the current campaign, Pardew has adopted the latter approach, restricting Ben Arfa to just three Premier League starts and six substitute appearances. Yes, the winger missed the whole of pre-season as he completed his recovery from a double leg break. But for all that Pardew continues to talk of the lingering effects of Ben Arfa's injury, it is impossible not to feel that the manager's pleadings are something of a smokescreen for an understandable distrust of his most volatile player's individualism.

 

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Speak to the rest of the Newcastle squad, though, and their respect for Ben Arfa's talents is obvious. “He's just about impossible to train against,” said Mike Williamson. “You just have to drop off if you can because if you get too close to him, he'll embarrass you.”

 

Gabriel Obertan was even more effusive, claiming Ben Arfa's perceived weaknesses were generally overplayed and denying that his compatriot put in less physical effort than his team-mates.

 

“Hatem is a great player and a great talent,” said Obertan. “I can understand why he can sometimes be frustrating because he looks as though he is not giving everything he has. Knowing him like I do though, that is not the case.

 

“He is a hard worker, it is just that the way he is and the way he plays sometimes makes it look as though he is not trying as hard as some other players. As a squad, we all know what a great talent he is. If he keeps working hard and giving his all in training, he is going to be a really big hit for this team.

 

“Some people criticise him for what he cannot do, but we know he is a player who is capable of unlocking situations and that is a great skill to have. In a game like the one at Bolton, it was always going to take something special to break them down. It was hard to find a gap, but Hatem did it.”

 

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/sport/9444691.Pardew_ponders_Ben_Arfa_conundrum/

 

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I don't understand why he signed him ? It was impossible for him to ignore that HBA never was - will never be - a "hard worker" on the pitch.

What did he expect ? Did he believe that Hatem could change his game ?

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Thing I don't understand is, Obertan isn't exactly the hardest worker on the pitch. Often can be found standing around when not in possession. That is not a dig at Obertan, but Pardew needs to show some consistency.

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I don't understand why he would need to be hard working defensively if he was to be paired to one striker (Ba). We have Cabaye and Tiote in midfield to protect the back 4. If it was for a central midfield position, I'd understand. Even to be played on the wing you would say some defensive work could be considered important for the team (although Obertan doesn't offer much either in that respect), but as a forward??? What does Best offer the team defensively that HBA can not? There's much more to this than meets the eye, because none of this can be explained by tactical decision making or pointing to player fitness (is Best at 100% match fitness? God forbid if so because he's certainly not looked it on the pitch, where it matters).

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