Nobody Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 g Saying he doesn't score enough goals is extraordinary. He's a goal machine who went through a bit of a drought, like Demba Ba did, like Rooney regularly does, like van Persie is at the moment. The amount of toys thrown out of the pram this season by certain people about Cisse has been pathetic. 8 goals in 30 Premiership games this season, 13 in 41 overall. Is that enough for you from a lone forward? How many of those were as the lone forward? probably like 10 How many of those were as a right winger? Probably like 5 How many of those were as a forward, be it a lone forward or as part of a front 2? Probably like 25 8 goals in 30 is not enough, whatever way you look at it, for your only striker in a 4-3-3 in a team aiming for European qualification. I find it funny that the people who are most critical of Pardew are the ones who are most forgiving when it comes to Cisse's underachievement this season, considering the fact that if Cisse had anywhere near the same chance conversion rate as last season, we would be comfortably sitting in the top half of the table. On your last point, the reason you should be critical against Pardew is because you have to be a pretty rubbish manager to not get a player like Cisse to score. Loads of us were saying in the first half of the season that we should be playing to his strengths, which was pretty much the opposite of what we did. We have started doing it a bit since Ba left and to no one's surprise both us and Cisse have improved. We have improved lately, but that's probably as much to do with our January signings hitting the ground running as it is with Cisse playing up top on his own. Of course Cisse has also improved as we have started playing to his strengths as you say. I'm not denying any of that; on the contrary, I have praised him in recent weeks for getting us the goals that win games. What I am doing is expressing a (valid in my humble opinion) concern whether it is enough. If you play a 433 and your sole forward has a 1 in 2 goalscoring rate (and that's being very generous as his goalscoring rate for the entire season stands at 1 in 3.8) based on a below average conversion rate, and then you combine that with there not being that many goals in other areas of the team (especially with HBA injured), then you'll be lucky to score a goal on average per game, which will see you draw or lose more often than not. The 433 may suit Cisse down to the ground, and indeed a number of our other players, but I'm worried about the number of goals we score in that system with Cisse (in this season's form) as the focal point. In there is the key point that what matters is the team winning games, not how many goals Cisse is scoring. Many seem to be saying that the way to improve is simply to get the rest of the team to make more chances for Cisse. A striker in his position should also be taking part in the creation of chances, and we may be able to land a striker who offers a better overall package. For most part of this season we have lacked a link between striker and midfielders. How deep do you want him to fall? For me Cisse's lack of goals have been more down to the manager than him or his teammates. Like Tooj has consistently said, we are terrbile in the transitional phase, both offensively and defensively and Cisse needs to fall down the whole time to help out. Until Sissoko arrived we didn't have a link between midfield and strikers as Cabaye was playing to deep and Tiote is a headless chicken. Asking for a better striker will cost us £15-20m something I'd rather we put into a good left winger who will create something himself a la Benny and Marv. As well as CB if Colo goes. Outside the top 6 there aren't many strikers who are better than Cisse. Even in the "top six", who would you have over Cissé other than RVP/Rooney and Suarez? Arguably Aguero, but I would have Papiss over Ba, Defoe/Adebayor, Giroud, Dzeko and Jelavic any day of the week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 RVP, Rooney, Suarez, Aguero, Tevez, Michu (isn't really a striker though) are for me all better strikers. I like Dzeko and Giroud compare to the rest of this forum too, and I think Ba is on a similar level tbf. Defoe and Adebayor I ain't big fans of, but Ade on a good day is pretty much instoppable. But yes, that's my point he's not as bad as unbelievable was trying to make out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 I'd have Cissé over Tevez like, they are of similar quality IMO but Tevez's attitude fucking stinks. Michu have been brilliant this season like, but I'm really not sure I'd have him over Cissé. Don't rate Dzeko, but Giroud is class, but not better than wor Papiss IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Michu a better 'striker' than Cisse? In what respect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He has scored more this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Fwiw, Benteke is up there amongst the best strikers in the league IMO, still don't think I'd have him over Cisse though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Fwiw, Benteke is up there amongst the best strikers in the league IMO, still don't think I'd have him over Cisse though. Too soon rating players like that based on this season.... at the end of last season Cisse was considered one of the best strikers in the league because of his ridiculous run. I'd like to see how they perform over a couple of seasons before rating them properly, same goes for Michu. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Michu a better 'striker' than Cisse? In what respect? I obviously put I'm aware of him not being a striker. Byt since you asked, Michu is a much more technical player than Cisse, and he has also scored more this season. But having Cisse over Tevez is absolute mental. Tevez is one of the world's best players. I'd have Tevez over Cisse 10 times of the week and I love Cisse. FWIW, this discussion still proves that Unbelievable underrates Cisse a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Michu a better 'striker' than Cisse? In what respect? I obviously put I'm aware of him not being a striker. Byt since you asked, Michu is a much more technical player than Cisse, and he has also scored more this season. But having Cisse over Tevez is absolute mental. Tevez is one of the world's best players. I'd have Tevez over Cisse 10 times of the week and I love Cisse. FWIW, this discussion still proves that Unbelievable underrates Cisse a lot. I agree Tevez is better but I wouldn't swap them for anything tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 I'd have him, but I wouldn't swap them. If you know what I mean? Absolutely love Cisse. Such a likeable guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Onside as well Seriously though, has anyone ever scored this many "offside" goals in a season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Feel sorry for the lad. What more can he do. 2 offside goals this season have been clear onside, another was on the line and another two that I can remember were matter of seconds of moving back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Feel sorry for the lad. What more can he do. 2 offside goals this season have been clear onside, another was on the line and another two that I can remember were matter of seconds of moving back. Maybe we should stop him beating the back line because the officials are too fucking shit to keep up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Fuck that lino. Match completely fucked b/c of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Fuck that lino. Match completely fucked b/c of it. No. Match completely fucked because we couldn't be bothered today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Im aware of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Not his fault today. I thought he looked impeded for the first Mignolet save but you never get them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMTW Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Like whenever Bale goes down, referees assume its a dive. Is this happening for when Cisse scores? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 And whenever Cisse scores refs assume offsides. Fucking bullshit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Michu a better 'striker' than Cisse? In what respect? I obviously put I'm aware of him not being a striker. Byt since you asked, Michu is a much more technical player than Cisse, and he has also scored more this season. But having Cisse over Tevez is absolute mental. Tevez is one of the world's best players. I'd have Tevez over Cisse 10 times of the week and I love Cisse. FWIW, this discussion still proves that Unbelievable underrates Cisse a lot. You're discussing whether Cisse is better than Tevez or not and this serves to illustrate how I underrate Cisse..? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Geordie Boyo Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 The ref has tiote's card marked before the game kicks off just as the linesman has cisse's. problem is they've both earned that happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Lacks positional sense to stay onside enough and composure to take enough of his chances to be our only striker in the starting XI, need another striker option in the summer who we can swap when he is off form. Said from the start but don't think he will be the consistent 15-20 league goal striker we need to progress but would keep him as an option from the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Getting very frustrated by him. Should have buried at least 2 chances today, not counting the one that was 'offside'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Getting very frustrated by him. Should have buried at least 2 chances today, not counting the one that was 'offside'. None of those chances were nailed on goals, they were snapshots which were saved. One was too close to the keeper, the other was a ball delivered behind him, it actually took real skill to turn either into a half chance. Then on top of that he scored as well. But some people just don't know football very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 2 excellent takes by Cisse that produced 2 top saves by Mignolet tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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