Unbelievable Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Unbelievable is actually making decent points about him recently, TCD still seems to be comparing him to world class strikers and completely negating the other parts of his game to nothing in the process. Unbelievable's been making excellent points and its pretty much the stuff i've been saying for months. You've been saying stuff like "Darren Bent MKII" which is complete and utter s****. I said the same thing, and I stand by it.. Could you link me to all of Darren Bent's spectacular goals please, cheers. You get more points for spectacular goals do you? Bent has scored 179 career goals at the age of 29. Hardly an insult to compare Cisse to him, seeing as they are quite similar players (poacher types who are best as a lone forward, and don't contribute much to general play). Eh? You're claiming they're almost the same player, I'm making the point that Bent doesn't score goals from nothing like Cisse, what the f*** do points have to do with anything? I don't see the relevance of Cisse's penchant for the spectacular as a reason to dismiss him being comparable to Bent. I haven't said they're the same player, I've argued they are similar, even though there are differences, for example Cisse scoring more spectacular goals from outside of the box, and Bent being more physical in taking on defenders. Doesn't change the fact they are essentially both poachers who are most suited to playing as a lone forward, spearheading the attack and not very good at bringing others into play. It's unbelievable that you have to explain this. It could be avoided if people actually described what they mean to begin with, like saying "has similarities to Bent" instead of saying stuff like "Bent MKII".. Bent MkII weren't my words, they were Hans' generalisation of an earlier discussion we had on the exact same topic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Glad nobody actually believes he's just Darrent Bent MKII anyway, the thought made me feel quite ill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 By the same token, due to having more pace and strength it's far easier to create chances for Bent. He can turn hopeful balls over the top to goal scoring opportunities. He's similar to Bent man and there's no shame in that. If he's so much better he would get 20-25 year-in year-out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 By the same token, due to having more pace and strength it's far easier to create chances for Bent. He can turn hopeful balls over the top to goal scoring opportunities. He's similar to Bent man and there's no shame in that. If he's so much better he would get 20-25 year-in year-out. Sounds like you think Bent has more attributes than Cisse. Do you think we could afford Bent? Would it be worth keeping Cisse as his understudy (in your opinion)? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 By the same token, due to having more pace and strength it's far easier to create chances for Bent. He can turn hopeful balls over the top to goal scoring opportunities. He's similar to Bent man and there's no shame in that. If he's so much better he would get 20-25 year-in year-out. Sounds like you think Bent has more attributes than Cisse. Do you think we could afford Bent? Would it be worth keeping Cisse as his understudy (in your opinion)? Why would I want Bent if we have Cisse? I've just said they're similar. I want someone with a different style to Cisse. Build-up play is key. Ideally a Berbatov type or Benteke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 We can have strikers whose surnames don't begin with a,b or c I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 By the same token, due to having more pace and strength it's far easier to create chances for Bent. He can turn hopeful balls over the top to goal scoring opportunities. He's similar to Bent man and there's no shame in that. If he's so much better he would get 20-25 year-in year-out. Sounds like you think Bent has more attributes than Cisse. Do you think we could afford Bent? Would it be worth keeping Cisse as his understudy (in your opinion)? Why would I want Bent if we have Cisse? I've just said they're similar. I want someone with a different style to Cisse. Build-up play is key. Ideally a Berbatov type or Benteke Benteke i can see, he's done well and can seem to scare defenders without any help! Berbs, i don't know. We don't have MFs who break beyond the forwards so if someone like Berbs came deep, nice little lay off.......no one making the run into space. Problem. I see where you're coming from, a strong quick guy we can hit it direct to, maybe even a long diagonal and he can worry the defenders, maybe get us a corner or a throw in and the whole team can move up the pitch. Territorial advantage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 By the same token, due to having more pace and strength it's far easier to create chances for Bent. He can turn hopeful balls over the top to goal scoring opportunities. He's similar to Bent man and there's no shame in that. If he's so much better he would get 20-25 year-in year-out. There aren't that many strikers better than Bent when it comes to poaching goals along up front, obviously his record proves that. However in every other way he's useless and I've never liked him/never wanted him in our side. Cisse has similarities to him but in the right setup he's a much better player and the fact he can scores goals that aren't always created for him is another big reason why I much prefer him to Bent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Cisse has proven himself to be very comfortable on the ball many times, his incredibly nonchalant nature leads to him occasionally gormlessly standing 40 yards off side, or over-under playing passes whilst under no pressure whatsoever, but this is only intensified when he's isolated up top and rarely involved in play. On his day he can link up play effectively and, ironically, played some of the best balls behind the defence any of our players played all season outside of Marveaux. You cannot just get tight to Cisse and take him out of a game, unless of course we start punting it towards his forehead in which case that's probably pretty effective. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 By the same token, due to having more pace and strength it's far easier to create chances for Bent. He can turn hopeful balls over the top to goal scoring opportunities. He's similar to Bent man and there's no shame in that. If he's so much better he would get 20-25 year-in year-out. Sounds like you think Bent has more attributes than Cisse. Do you think we could afford Bent? Would it be worth keeping Cisse as his understudy (in your opinion)? Why would I want Bent if we have Cisse? I've just said they're similar. I want someone with a different style to Cisse. Build-up play is key. Ideally a Berbatov type or Benteke Benteke i can see, he's done well and can seem to scare defenders without any help! Berbs, i don't know. We don't have MFs who break beyond the forwards so if someone like Berbs came deep, nice little lay off.......no one making the run into space. Problem. I see where you're coming from, a strong quick guy we can hit it direct to, maybe even a long diagonal and he can worry the defenders, maybe get us a corner or a throw in and the whole team can move up the pitch. Territorial advantage. I think Cisse exacerbates our midfield woes. With Berbatov, he's inviting you to give him the ball from feet - to chest height. That draws players' closer as well as him going deeper. Marv/HBA would love to play off him at least. Cisse too. Berbatovs the type to come a little deep with his back to goal, lay it off quickly, turn around and head to goal. Where as you WANT Cisse facing the goal at all times, he's looking for the penetrative ball which is more difficult. As a midfielder, that style doesn't invite you to get close to him as Cisse wants to run towards goal at all times. Do you get what i'm trying to say? With someone that can hold it up, they invite others into play. With Cisse/Bent/Owen types they want to run the other way from you so there's no point looking to make those runs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 Cisse has proven himself to be very comfortable on the ball many times, his incredibly nonchalant nature leads to him occasionally gormlessly standing 40 yards off side, or over-under playing passes whilst under no pressure whatsoever, but this is only intensified when he's isolated up top and rarely involved in play. On his day he can link up play effectively and, ironically, played some of the best balls behind the defence any of our players played all season outside of Marveaux. You cannot just get tight to Cisse and take him out of a game, unless of course we start punting it towards his forehead in which case that's probably pretty effective. - Weaknesses - Holding on to the ball - Aerial Duels -Offside awareness Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 6, 2013 Share Posted June 6, 2013 By the same token, due to having more pace and strength it's far easier to create chances for Bent. He can turn hopeful balls over the top to goal scoring opportunities. He's similar to Bent man and there's no shame in that. If he's so much better he would get 20-25 year-in year-out. Sounds like you think Bent has more attributes than Cisse. Do you think we could afford Bent? Would it be worth keeping Cisse as his understudy (in your opinion)? Why would I want Bent if we have Cisse? I've just said they're similar. I want someone with a different style to Cisse. Build-up play is key. Ideally a Berbatov type or Benteke Benteke i can see, he's done well and can seem to scare defenders without any help! Berbs, i don't know. We don't have MFs who break beyond the forwards so if someone like Berbs came deep, nice little lay off.......no one making the run into space. Problem. I see where you're coming from, a strong quick guy we can hit it direct to, maybe even a long diagonal and he can worry the defenders, maybe get us a corner or a throw in and the whole team can move up the pitch. Territorial advantage. I think Cisse exacerbates our midfield woes. With Berbatov, he's inviting you to give him the ball from feet - to chest height. That draws players' closer as well as him going deeper. Marv/HBA would love to play off him at least. Cisse too. Berbatovs the type to come a little deep with his back to goal, lay it off quickly, turn around and head to goal. Where as you WANT Cisse facing the goal at all times, he's looking for the penetrative ball which is more difficult. As a midfielder, that style doesn't invite you to get close to him as Cisse wants to run towards goal at all times. Do you get what i'm trying to say? With someone that can hold it up, they invite others into play. With Cisse/Bent/Owen types they want to run the other way from you so there's no point looking to make those runs. I understand you very well. But e Berbs type forward who woukld come deep, lay it off and then jog up the field wouldn't do much for us. You're just confused there. Probs didn't think it through enough. Would be better if you said we need a Drogba type but then again, who doesn't? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TRon Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Cisse has proven himself to be very comfortable on the ball many times, his incredibly nonchalant nature leads to him occasionally gormlessly standing 40 yards off side, or over-under playing passes whilst under no pressure whatsoever, but this is only intensified when he's isolated up top and rarely involved in play. On his day he can link up play effectively and, ironically, played some of the best balls behind the defence any of our players played all season outside of Marveaux. You cannot just get tight to Cisse and take him out of a game, unless of course we start punting it towards his forehead in which case that's probably pretty effective. - Weaknesses - Holding on to the ball - Aerial Duels -Offside awareness - Holding onto the ball is only a real problem when the ball is played long. -aerial duels - ditto - offside awareness - not the best but with strikers who play on the shoulder it happens. Far better than a striker who hides from scoring positions a la Shola. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/newcastle-protest-pay-day-loan-firm-1938725 Stirring? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Story is going on a year old: http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/newcastle-face-wonga-deal-revolt-1370793 I'll be amazed if anything comes of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It's OK to wear a Virgin Money sponsored shirt though, yeah. Silly media bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It's OK to wear a Virgin Money sponsored shirt though, yeah. Silly media bollocks. what I was going to bring up as well, seems like shit stirring to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It's amusing how defensive people are of Wonga given they're related to us compared to how they'd blatantly be if they were sponsoring those down the road (or Liverpool for the N-O crowd) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 Eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 So much wat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 So much wat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It's amusing how defensive people are of Wonga given they're related to us compared to how they'd blatantly be if they were sponsoring those down the road (or Liverpool for the N-O crowd) I won't buy a shirt with their foul logo on. And I also think there must be more reputable companies that we could have on our shirts... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 It's OK to wear a Virgin Money sponsored shirt though, yeah. Silly media bollocks. IMO A bank ain't worse than a company that prays on poverty? (See: Dresden's comment) Plus see the posts in the other thread RE: SW/Bolton. IMO these lot are worse than gambling/drink companies but I may be on my own there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted June 7, 2013 Share Posted June 7, 2013 at least they're fairly open about being scumbags. Unlike banks. note: I am not defending them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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