Papiss Cissé

[Memphis]

I'm all for players having the freedom to express their personal beliefs, but not selectively. If he had a moral objection to interest-bearing loans, then he shouldn't have worn a Virgin Money shirt. A principle is a principle, or should be. It's particularly unfortunate because there's such a strong (and understandable) anti-Wonga sentiment that helps push this thing forward in the national media.

 

Either way, I really do wish we had a less ridiculous sponsor.

[hithere]

If its because of the sponsor, how is it any different than last year?

 

Virgin Money also has interest on their loans, and isn't that the case with muslims ?

 

Hope he stays, won't get anyone better in a million years.

 

Virgin Money offer loans for Muslims, sharia banking if you will. That particular brand of high street banking is also such an integral part of society, something that has been around so long there has probably been a degree of modernisation and acceptance from Muslims too. It would be extremely hard for anyone to go about their day to day lives without banks.

 

Payday lenders are a completely different beast. They're relatively new entities that cater to those in dire need and make vast sums of cash off the back of individuals who don't have a lot to begin with. You don't need to be a religious person to feel extremely uneasy that there's an entire industry sprung up around lending money to people who are struggling to get by at frankly eye watering rates of interest. It's sick. And these c***s are associated with our club. And in a region where unemployment is through the roof and more and more people have to rely on them.

 

So if I became a Muslim could I stroll into Virgin and ask for an interest free loan then?

 

[Guest bimpy474]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

[hithere]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

Seems as if he wants away like.

[Skirge]

No more pissing around over this sell him as there is no middle ground, he won't wear the shirt we are not going to change sponsor. So him leaving is the only outcome, wasting time in an already non moving transfer window will only hurt us more.

Love him but he has to go so we can move on.

[Gallowgate Toon]

I'm really pulling for Gouffran to get a run in that striker role btw. He was a 1 in 2 striker in France in that position.

 

Holds the ball up better than Cisse, as he's tougher and does a great job of shielding it. And he'll also work the channels more, and likely won't stray offside as much.

 

It's an opportunity for Gouffran this. Hope he grabs it.

 

I'd go as far as to Ba > Cisse > Gouffran is a massive decline.

 

Bit like how Bruce managed to turn Bent, Gyan, Welbeck and Campbell into Bendtner, Wickham and Ji

 

Gouffran's actually a good striker though, he'd scored 22 goals in the season and a half before joining us.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

The problem is him openly endorsing the pay day loan company, with ridiculous a apr. He doesn't promote gambling or anything else to others by having it emblazoned across his chest each week.

[Guest]

How many of the rest late back from international duty are going?

[Skirge]

How many of the rest late back from international duty are going?

 

Everyone it seems

[brummie]

It'll probably mean nothing.

 

Like when Benteke didn't go to Germany with us last week.

 

Oh.

[Jordan]

Hopefully this is Gouff's chance to claim the only striker spot in the side. He's a much better footballer imo

[David Icke - Son of God]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

Religious people break "rules" all the time. I wonder how many of the 2.2 billion Christians across the globe sell their daughters into slavery, or go around killing people who work on a Sunday.

[Al Moody]

Simon Bird ‏@simonbirdmirror 4m

Cisse future at #nufc in serious doubt now over Wonga issue. Absence from portugal pre season shows stalemate in shirt row.

[Memphis]

If its because of the sponsor, how is it any different than last year?

 

Virgin Money also has interest on their loans, and isn't that the case with muslims ?

 

Hope he stays, won't get anyone better in a million years.

 

Virgin Money offer loans for Muslims, sharia banking if you will. That particular brand of high street banking is also such an integral part of society, something that has been around so long there has probably been a degree of modernisation and acceptance from Muslims too. It would be extremely hard for anyone to go about their day to day lives without banks.

 

Payday lenders are a completely different beast. They're relatively new entities that cater to those in dire need and make vast sums of cash off the back of individuals who don't have a lot to begin with. You don't need to be a religious person to feel extremely uneasy that there's an entire industry sprung up around lending money to people who are struggling to get by at frankly eye watering rates of interest. It's sick. And these cunts are associated with our club. And in a region where unemployment is through the roof and more and more people have to rely on them.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments regarding Wonga as a classless, parasitic outfit.

 

But I disagree with the ability to selectively choose how to display your principled stance.  There is a certain awareness that comes with accepting a pay packet from a professional football club that you may at times endorse indirectly products or services you find disagreeable or even reprehensible. You have teetotalers, perhaps religiously motivated, wearing shorts with alcohol sponsors. You have players implicitly endorsing gambling, players who may themselves find it problematic or even immoral. It is difficult to pick and choose morally between a bank like Virgin Money, even if they offer sharia banking, and a payday outlet like Wonga. Most large-scale banking outlets have been involved in operations that are morally questionable, or full-on repugnant.

 

It still represents a stretch of "principle" if you blanch at one but not the other, even if I myself find payday outlets horrible leeches on the poor.

[matta]

If its because of the sponsor, how is it any different than last year?

 

Virgin Money also has interest on their loans, and isn't that the case with muslims ?

 

Hope he stays, won't get anyone better in a million years.

 

Virgin Money offer loans for Muslims, sharia banking if you will. That particular brand of high street banking is also such an integral part of society, something that has been around so long there has probably been a degree of modernisation and acceptance from Muslims too. It would be extremely hard for anyone to go about their day to day lives without banks.

 

Payday lenders are a completely different beast. They're relatively new entities that cater to those in dire need and make vast sums of cash off the back of individuals who don't have a lot to begin with. You don't need to be a religious person to feel extremely uneasy that there's an entire industry sprung up around lending money to people who are struggling to get by at frankly eye watering rates of interest. It's sick. And these c***s are associated with our club. And in a region where unemployment is through the roof and more and more people have to rely on them.

 

So if I became a Muslim could I stroll into Virgin and ask for an interest free loan then?

 

 

Thats a very good answer from David Icke. I'm not very educated in islamicbanking, however i think it is the same in principal. You loan money, buy something, and pay abit more back.

 

 

 

Stolen from Wikipedia:

In an Islamic mortgage transaction, instead of lending the buyer money to purchase the item, a bank might buy the item itself from the seller, and re-sell it to the buyer at a profit, while allowing the buyer to pay the bank in installments. However, the bank's profit cannot be made explicit and therefore there are no additional penalties for late payment. In order to protect itself against default, the bank asks for strict collateral. The goods or land is registered to the name of the buyer from the start of the transaction. This arrangement is called Murabahah.

 

Another approach is EIjara wa EIqtina, which is similar to real estate leasing. Islamic banks handle loans for vehicles in a similar way (selling the vehicle at a higher-than-market price to the debtor and then retaining ownership of the vehicle until the loan is paid).

[Guest bimpy474]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

 

Which leads me to think he is objecting on a personal level not a religious one. He's clearly not a strict Muslim. I doubt it's his faith that is the stumbling block here.

 

Which imo puts him in the wrong. Not because he objects to Wonga, if it isn't a faith thing where does it end. Any player can object to anything at any time, it's just nonsense hiding behind a thing (religion) that doesn't exist.

 

I hate religion you might note, so i'm very biased that way.

[Disco]

How many of the rest late back from international duty are going?

 

Hasn't been released but Pardew said this last night.

 

"We are all going to Portugal. It will be the first team that are all back now, so we are looking to take our strongest squad with us."

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

How many of the rest late back from international duty are going?

 

Hasn't been released but Pardew said this last night.

 

"We are all going to Portugal. It will be the first team that are all back now, so we are looking to take our strongest squad with us."

 

Magnificent.

[David Icke - Son of God]

If its because of the sponsor, how is it any different than last year?

 

Virgin Money also has interest on their loans, and isn't that the case with muslims ?

 

Hope he stays, won't get anyone better in a million years.

 

Virgin Money offer loans for Muslims, sharia banking if you will. That particular brand of high street banking is also such an integral part of society, something that has been around so long there has probably been a degree of modernisation and acceptance from Muslims too. It would be extremely hard for anyone to go about their day to day lives without banks.

 

Payday lenders are a completely different beast. They're relatively new entities that cater to those in dire need and make vast sums of cash off the back of individuals who don't have a lot to begin with. You don't need to be a religious person to feel extremely uneasy that there's an entire industry sprung up around lending money to people who are struggling to get by at frankly eye watering rates of interest. It's sick. And these cunts are associated with our club. And in a region where unemployment is through the roof and more and more people have to rely on them.

 

I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments regarding Wonga as a classless, parasitic outfit.

 

But I disagree with the ability to selectively choose how to display your principled stance.  There is a certain awareness that comes with accepting a pay packet from a professional football club that you may at times endorse indirectly products or services you find disagreeable or even reprehensible. You have teetotalers, perhaps religiously motivated, wearing shorts with alcohol sponsors. You have players implicitly endorsing gambling, players who may themselves find it problematic or even immoral. It is difficult to pick and choose morally between a bank like Virgin Money, even if they offer sharia banking, and a payday outlet like Wonga. Most large-scale banking outlets have been involved in operations that are morally questionable, or full-on repugnant.

 

It still represents a stretch of "principle" if you blanch at one but not the other, even if I myself find payday outlets horrible leeches on the poor.

 

I disagree with that. I've nothing else to add.

[Al Moody]

Lee Ryder ‏@lee_ryder 26s

It is understood that Cisse wanted to travel but told he couldn't until Wonga dispute is resolved. Story is developing #nufc

 

Can be read as ''until he accepts to wear Wonga on his shirt''.

[Guest bimpy474]

Cisse point about Wonga is fair and valid, but it's laughable when he breaks several other of his religions rules because he enjoys them.

 

The whole things a joke and for once i'm not blaming the club.

 

Religious people break "rules" all the time. I wonder how many of the 2.2 billion Christians across the globe sell their daughters into slavery, or go around killing people who work on a Sunday.

 

Well thats a helpful line of nonsense, but if religious people break the rules often, they are also hypocrites, as are most human beings to be honest.

[brummie]

It is difficult to pick and choose morally between a bank like Virgin Money, even if they offer sharia banking, and a payday outlet like Wonga. Most large-scale banking outlets have been involved in operations that are morally questionable, or full-on repugnant.

 

That's the thing.

 

If I were the player in question, as a non muslim, I would be far more likely to object to Wonga as a shirt sponsor, on the grounds that they're are a company which lends money to desperate people at obscene rates of interest. They're pretty much the sort of loan sharks you'd find in depressed towns, except on the internet.

 

Virgin Money, however, I wouldn't have a problem with. They're money lenders, yes, but I don't see credit cards, mortgages and loans of the type they offer as morally questionable. Or online gambling companies, either.

 

That's because it is my frame of reference, which isn't a religious one (not that that really matters).

 

With Cisse, however, his objection to Wonga is said to be on the basis of his religion. His religion finds money lending FULL STOP objectionable and unacceptable, so if he's using Wonga as an example of an unacceptable company to have on his shirt, then surely he must also object to any other commercial lender, and that wasn't the case for him last year.

 

 

[KaKa]

The thing is Wonga will never let the club's number 9 not wear their logo. I mean, that's the one person that absolutely has to wear it form their point of view.

 

Would be incredible if we sold a payer over this. Absolutely incredible.

 

But honestly, what's the alternative? What are they actually even discussing. The man won't wear the shirt, he won't wear the shirt. What are these negotiations?

 

 

[madras]

It smells similar to n'zogbias reason for wanting to leave. Shite excuse,  but it beats asking for a transfer (and saves money)

 

[STM]

Why wasnt this resolved months ago?

 

Another shambles by the management, even if Cisse is acting a clown.