Papiss Cissé

[Darth Crooks]

It's anyone's guess to be honest what will come of this steaming maelstrom of horseshit...the realist however is sure it will be negative.

[Wullie]

Shame it's taken him to do what the fans should have done in the first place. We were easily bought on side by the cynical stadium name change reversal though (myself included). Roll over and have our tummys tickled - whether its immoral loan shark sponsors, lunatic directors of football, ugly stadium branding, key player sales. Good luck to him whether its a legitimate moral argument or if he just wants a move. Either is justifiable because the club is a fucking joke with a passive, weather worn fanbase willing to eat whatever shit is served.

 

Spot on.

[Tiresias]

Shame it's taken him to do what the fans should have done in the first place. We were easily bought on side by the cynical stadium name change reversal though (myself included). Roll over and have our tummys tickled - whether its immoral loan shark sponsors, lunatic directors of football, ugly stadium branding, key player sales. Good luck to him whether its a legitimate moral argument or if he just wants a move. Either is justifiable because the club is a f***ing joke with a passive, weather worn fanbase willing to eat whatever s*** is served.

 

Spot on.

 

[Minhosa]

Shame it's taken him to do what the fans should have done in the first place. We were easily bought on side by the cynical stadium name change reversal though (myself included). Roll over and have our tummys tickled - whether its immoral loan shark sponsors, lunatic directors of football, ugly stadium branding, key player sales. Good luck to him whether its a legitimate moral argument or if he just wants a move. Either is justifiable because the club is a fucking joke with a passive, weather worn fanbase willing to eat whatever shit is served.

 

Spot on.

 

Yep - Difficult to argue with that. Zero motivation/enthusiasm for the upcoming campaign.

[captainhaircut]

Decent post except for the key sales bit. That line keeps getting trotted out.

 

Who have we sold again? Carroll? Enrique? Ba?

 

One ridiculous bid, one player who refused to play unless sold and one guy who went as he had a clause in his contract.

[TRon]

Decent post except for the key sales bit. That line keeps getting trotted out.

 

Who have we sold again? Carroll? Enrique? Ba?

 

One ridiculous bid, one player who refused to play unless sold and one guy who went as he had a clause in his contract.

 

It doesn't really matter what the reasons were at the end of the day, the objective should be to build a stronger team each year. With Ba gone, Best gone and probably Cisse gone, there's going to need to be some pretty nifty work in the transfer market over the next month to get us back to where we were a year ago. We need strikers on the pitch not Wonga badges.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Decent post except for the key sales bit. That line keeps getting trotted out.

 

Who have we sold again? Carroll? Enrique? Ba?

 

One ridiculous bid, one player who refused to play unless sold and one guy who went as he had a clause in his contract.

 

Spot on. We just don't sell players in the way people insist we do.

[Dave]

Someone should probably tell Pardew that considering he's in the papers every other day touting them about shitting himself about it.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Someone should probably tell Pardew that considering he's in the papers every other day advertising them shitting himself about it.

 

I don't get you sometimes Dave. You can't argue with the facts that captain posted.

[TRon]

Decent post except for the key sales bit. That line keeps getting trotted out.

 

Who have we sold again? Carroll? Enrique? Ba?

 

One ridiculous bid, one player who refused to play unless sold and one guy who went as he had a clause in his contract.

 

Spot on. We just don't sell players in the way people insist we do.

 

Selling players isn't the issue, sometimes it can't be avoided. It's getting in the quality replacements in time that is the difference between a club that has ambition and one that is more concerned about balancing the books.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Decent post except for the key sales bit. That line keeps getting trotted out.

 

Who have we sold again? Carroll? Enrique? Ba?

 

One ridiculous bid, one player who refused to play unless sold and one guy who went as he had a clause in his contract.

 

Spot on. We just don't sell players in the way people insist we do.

 

Selling players isn't the issue, sometimes it can't be avoided. It's getting in the quality replacements in time that is the difference between a club that has ambition and one that is more concerned about balancing the books.

 

I agree, I was just talking about the idea we're always looking to sell everyone.

[colinmk]

Someone should probably tell Pardew that considering he's in the papers every other day touting them about shitting himself about it.

 

Was just going to post similar to that.

[duo]

How is Cisse being hypocritical? Who is he lending money to?

 

Because he quite happily wore a shirt with virging money on, while playing in the barclays premier league. They're both money lenders who chatge interest.

 

What Cisse is effectively saying is that Sharia law is ok with interest rates of less than 50%. Which is absolute bollocks.

 

It isn't.

 

The definition of usury differs depending on where you are in the Muslim world. Some consider any interest at all to be usury but many believe that only excessive interest is usury.

 

Exactly. Interest based loans can be a real help for people to start businesses or buy a home. On the other hand the Sopranos version of interest where you pay the money at 100% by next week or get your legs broken is a different kettle of fish.

Nail on head.

[duo]

Having had a fair bit of dealing with Barclays both personally and professionally i'd say Barclays are a horrendous company as well yet he's quite happy with them.

 

But their entire business model doesn't rely on getting people to take out loans they can't pay back, as is the case with payday loans companies which get 50% from their income not from interest, but from fines and charges for missing payments.

Barclays charge horrendous amounts for missing payments and going over your limits just like all financial institutions.

To counter balance that they also over 0% interest for 22months on balance transfers.

 

The whole 'no interest' thing goes back to the days when there were no banks and people were lending money then expecting ridiculous sums back.  But in the modern world yes you can get accounts that don't pay interest should you wish but islamic banks do pay interest.  Wonga goes back to the days of when there were no banks, lending people money whilst charging ridiculous sums on interest.

[Davey_C_73]

At the end of the day he has an issue with our sponsors, it doesn't matter if it's religious or personal opinion, it doesn't matter if we think Wonga is in the same industry as Virgin or Northern Rock (which arguably is ten times worse seen as they contributed to the recession in 2007).

 

He has an opinion and he is making a stand.

 

Good on him, he has principles and he's standing by them...how many people on here could say they've done something similar?

 

For those old enough, who remembers Daly Thompson making a stand in the 1984 Olympics? He was against alcohol advertising and refused to wear any logos on the kit and was close to being kicked out of the Olympics. I think he had pretty much the entire world behind him at the time.......and won (both medals and his cause).

 

I think we need to take a step back and stop taking it so personally.....FFS the majority of fans weren't happy with Wonga becoming our sponsors, at least someone has the balls to stand up against them.

 

If it doesn't work out, so be it, good luck to him and I'm sure we'll make most of our money back!

[Kanj]

Wonder if he's still with Miss Newcastle, she needs to have a word.

[Guest H09]

Good on him, he has principles and he's standing by them...how many people on here could say they've done something similar?

 

 

I was a vegetarian for a day but I wore my leather belt.

 

Me and Cisse are the pinnacle of the principled man.

[hakka]

Wonder if he's still with Miss Newcastle, she needs to have a word.

 

Didn't seem to have much trouble leaving Miss Freiburg.

[madras]

At the end of the day he has an issue with our sponsors, it doesn't matter if it's religious or personal opinion, it doesn't matter if we think Wonga is in the same industry as Virgin or Northern Rock (which arguably is ten times worse seen as they contributed to the recession in 2007).

 

He has an opinion and he is making a stand.

 

Good on him, he has principles and he's standing by them...how many people on here could say they've done something similar?

 

For those old enough, who remembers Daly Thompson making a stand in the 1984 Olympics? He was against alcohol advertising and refused to wear any logos on the kit and was close to being kicked out of the Olympics. I think he had pretty much the entire world behind him at the time.......and won (both medals and his cause).

 

I think we need to take a step back and stop taking it so personally.....FFS the majority of fans weren't happy with Wonga becoming our sponsors, at least someone has the balls to stand up against them.

 

If it doesn't work out, so be it, good luck to him and I'm sure we'll make most of our money back!

many are confused as to his principles though. high rates of interest to people who can't afford it=bad,deliberate mis selling of products, fixing LIBOR,  tax avoidance , playing a large role in bringing the country to its knees, charging £25 in "fees" for going £1 overdrawn= not really worth saying anything about as it means he wouldn't be really able to play in any league that has a tie in with a major bank without looking a complete hypocrate.

 

if anyone wants to complain/protest/take a principled stand then get their priorities in order ffs instead of pointing out theres a 2inch crack in the plaster when in reality the sodding walls have fallen down.

[Tiresias]

Just let him wear a fucking charity logo or something there problem solved ffs

[madras]

Just let him wear a f***ing charity logo or something there problem solved ffs

i'm not necessarily against that but would it lead to others doing the same thing and in the end the sponsors not bothering (not too bad a thing) or paying the players directly to "persuade" them which means more money leaving the game to the players.

[chicago_shearer]

Did any of the people equivocating Wonga with Virgin and consumer lending in general finance their home through a pay day lender? Since they're all as bad as one another?

[madras]

Did any of the people equivocating Wonga with Virgin and consumer lending in general finance their home through a pay day lender? Since they're all as bad as one another?

no, did wonga fix the libor rates and lie about its insurances products, I know which has robbed more and created most pain for the country.

[Belfast Mags]

This is all beyond fucking boring now.

 

Me head hurts thinking about it tbh. 

[Cajun]

Did any of the people equivocating Wonga with Virgin and consumer lending in general finance their home through a pay day lender? Since they're all as bad as one another?

 

Why would you finance your home through a pay day lender?

 

The clue is in the name surely? Unless you earn a few hundred thousand pounds a month I think a pay day loan might be a little unrealistic when purchasing a house