TRon Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's ironic that people want Cisse out because he's a hypocrite who won't wear a Wonga shirt, but they are drooling over the prospects of strikers who need to be dragged to the north east by bigger pay packets because they'd prefer to be in London or Paris. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's an avoidable situation which hasn't avoided by the club therefore it's the clubs fault...IMO. Couldn't give a shit about the intricacies of it. Our best striker is missing out on important pre-season for non-footballing reasons, as with nearly everything else to do with NUFC it's fucking embarrassing. Aye. The two obvious compromises as I see it are: 1. Allow the player to wear no logo etc, or 2. Sell the player and find a replacement in an appropriate timescale. Neither has been done. As for Cisse only raising a pittance if we accepted we had to sell him, I'm pretty sure the figure we would have received six weeks ago is roughly comparable to what we'd get now after all this anyway - neither scenario is conducive to getting the best price. The only difference is the club is suffering in the meantime. Funny, that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I'm curious as to why all of this is kicking off only just now when Wonga was announced in September of last year. To be fair it was reported almost from day one that we'd have a problem with the Muslim players over this. Cisse was consistently mentioned. Best I could find on google (from 1/9/2012 to 1/6/2013) was a few articles from the start by local clerics/imams about it, usual daily mail troublemaking although I think there was a telegraph article in there too. Nothing actually from the players themselves. And then radio silence. I reserve the right to be disappointed in him for leaving it to the 11th hour to start this. It was reported properly about Cisse having an issue with it on 11th June. It's now just about the 24th July and precisely nothing has been done about it. It could be described as the 11th hour in terms of the deal being announced last year, but there's much more to say it's just gross incompetence that this hasn't been What do we do to sort this within a guarenteed time scale then? Give him a huge pay rise to negate his beliefs? Cancel a multi million pound contract for one player? Transfer list him to ensure we recieve a pittance when he goes? We shouldn't have signed the contract in the first place, so aye, that one. Ah ok we'll just tell that to Wongas lawers and they'll understand I'm sure. Seriously what does anyone here realistically think Cisse is looking for as a solution? New contract morally makes no difference and he shouldnt get one anyway. We're legally contracted to Wonga and if Cisse wants to get away so badly why doesnt he hand in a transfer request? Because he'll lose his loyalty bonus, which he's probably hoping to earn some heavy interest on, if he doesnt gamble it first. Come on this is ludicrous. We all know Ashley and thd rest are insidious as fuck. But Cisse's actions here stink to high heaven. Its amazing that people cant see how wrong one side is simply because they hate the other side so much. Anyway I'm bored of this shit.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's an avoidable situation which hasn't avoided by the club therefore it's the clubs fault...IMO. Couldn't give a shit about the intricacies of it. Our best striker is missing out on important pre-season for non-footballing reasons, as with nearly everything else to do with NUFC it's fucking embarrassing. Aye. The two obvious compromises as I see it are: 1. Allow the player to wear no logo etc, or 2. Sell the player and find a replacement in an appropriate timescale. Neither has been done. As for Cisse only raising a pittance if we accepted we had to sell him, I'm pretty sure the figure we would have received six weeks ago is roughly comparable to what we'd get now after all this anyway - neither scenario is conducive to getting the best price. The only difference is the club is suffering in the meantime. Funny, that. Instead and as always we've gone for 3. Indulge in as much brinksmanship and poker-handing as possible to show how strong Ashley and the board are in now kow-towing to anyone but their own demands regardless of the wider consequences aka the team and it's viability at staying up in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 Do we know if there's been any talks between Cisse and the club, or the club and Wonga in the last few days? Or are they just happy enough to let him train on his own, I have this image of Kinnear bending over with his head in a fire bucket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I'm curious as to why all of this is kicking off only just now when Wonga was announced in September of last year. To be fair it was reported almost from day one that we'd have a problem with the Muslim players over this. Cisse was consistently mentioned. Best I could find on google (from 1/9/2012 to 1/6/2013) was a few articles from the start by local clerics/imams about it, usual daily mail troublemaking although I think there was a telegraph article in there too. Nothing actually from the players themselves. And then radio silence. I reserve the right to be disappointed in him for leaving it to the 11th hour to start this. It was reported properly about Cisse having an issue with it on 11th June. It's now just about the 24th July and precisely nothing has been done about it. It could be described as the 11th hour in terms of the deal being announced last year, but there's much more to say it's just gross incompetence that this hasn't been What do we do to sort this within a guarenteed time scale then? Give him a huge pay rise to negate his beliefs? Cancel a multi million pound contract for one player? Transfer list him to ensure we recieve a pittance when he goes? We shouldn't have signed the contract in the first place, so aye, that one. Ah ok we'll just tell that to Wongas lawers and they'll understand I'm sure. Seriously what does anyone here realistically think Cisse is looking for as a solution. New contract morally makes no difference and he shouldnt get one anyway. We're legally contracted to to Wonga and if Cisse wants to get away so badky why doesnt he hand in a transfer request? Because he'll lose his loyalty bonus, which he's probably hoping to earn some heavy interest on, if he doesnt gamble is first. Come on this is ludicrous. We all know Ashley and thd rest are insidious as fuck. But Cisses actions here stink to high heaven. Its amazing that people cant see how wrong one side is simply because they hate the other side so much. Anyway I'm bored of this shit.. How do you know he wants to get away so badly? Or are you just assuming this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's an avoidable situation which hasn't avoided by the club therefore it's the clubs fault...IMO. Couldn't give a shit about the intricacies of it. Our best striker is missing out on important pre-season for non-footballing reasons, as with nearly everything else to do with NUFC it's fucking embarrassing. Aye. The two obvious compromises as I see it are: 1. Allow the player to wear no logo etc, or 2. Sell the player and find a replacement in an appropriate timescale. Neither has been done. As for Cisse only raising a pittance if we accepted we had to sell him, I'm pretty sure the figure we would have received six weeks ago is roughly comparable to what we'd get now after all this anyway - neither scenario is conducive to getting the best price. The only difference is the club is suffering in the meantime. Funny, that. You make it sound so easy, we should have just pushed the sell Cisse button 6 weeks ago and had done with it. You have no idea what kind of fee we could have gotten had we effectively put Cisse on Gumtree. Nor do you know how likely a solution seemed from the talks they had with Cisse at the time. You could equally say Cisse is responsible for not simply putting in a transfer request if he's really genuine about all this. He knows theres no solution but to leave and he knew it months ago. No criticism for him there then? Saying we could allow him not to wear the logo is pie in the sky. As a club we'd effectively be advertising that Wonga are morally reprehensible every game he played, well worth the tens of millions I'm sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teasy Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I'm curious as to why all of this is kicking off only just now when Wonga was announced in September of last year. To be fair it was reported almost from day one that we'd have a problem with the Muslim players over this. Cisse was consistently mentioned. Best I could find on google (from 1/9/2012 to 1/6/2013) was a few articles from the start by local clerics/imams about it, usual daily mail troublemaking although I think there was a telegraph article in there too. Nothing actually from the players themselves. And then radio silence. I reserve the right to be disappointed in him for leaving it to the 11th hour to start this. It was reported properly about Cisse having an issue with it on 11th June. It's now just about the 24th July and precisely nothing has been done about it. It could be described as the 11th hour in terms of the deal being announced last year, but there's much more to say it's just gross incompetence that this hasn't been What do we do to sort this within a guarenteed time scale then? Give him a huge pay rise to negate his beliefs? Cancel a multi million pound contract for one player? Transfer list him to ensure we recieve a pittance when he goes? We shouldn't have signed the contract in the first place, so aye, that one. Ah ok we'll just tell that to Wongas lawers and they'll understand I'm sure. Seriously what does anyone here realistically think Cisse is looking for as a solution. New contract morally makes no difference and he shouldnt get one anyway. We're legally contracted to to Wonga and if Cisse wants to get away so badky why doesnt he hand in a transfer request? Because he'll lose his loyalty bonus, which he's probably hoping to earn some heavy interest on, if he doesnt gamble is first. Come on this is ludicrous. We all know Ashley and thd rest are insidious as fuck. But Cisses actions here stink to high heaven. Its amazing that people cant see how wrong one side is simply because they hate the other side so much. Anyway I'm bored of this shit.. How do you know he wants to get away so badly? Or are you just assuming this? I didn't mean he's desperate to leave so he's using the situation to engineer a move (a bigger contract would probably sooth his morales..). What I meant was that if his mind is made up on refusing to wear the clubs sponsor then there's no other solution but to leave. Thats something he surely has to realise. So then why not just put in a transfer request? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 He may back down yet after making his point (see Kanoute), but at least he'll have stood up for what he believes in and made that point, as opposed to just wearing it without making a fuss which could be important to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It's an avoidable situation which hasn't avoided by the club therefore it's the clubs fault...IMO. Couldn't give a shit about the intricacies of it. Our best striker is missing out on important pre-season for non-footballing reasons, as with nearly everything else to do with NUFC it's fucking embarrassing. Aye. The two obvious compromises as I see it are: 1. Allow the player to wear no logo etc, or 2. Sell the player and find a replacement in an appropriate timescale. Neither has been done. As for Cisse only raising a pittance if we accepted we had to sell him, I'm pretty sure the figure we would have received six weeks ago is roughly comparable to what we'd get now after all this anyway - neither scenario is conducive to getting the best price. The only difference is the club is suffering in the meantime. Funny, that. You make it sound so easy, we should have just pushed the sell Cisse button 6 weeks ago and had done with it. You have no idea what kind of fee we could have gotten had we effectively put Cisse on Gumtree. Nor do you know how likely a solution seemed from the talks they had with Cisse at the time. You could equally say Cisse is responsible for not simply putting in a transfer request if he's really genuine about all this. He knows theres no solution but to leave and he knew it months ago. No criticism for him there then? Saying we could allow him not to wear the logo is pie in the sky. As a club we'd effectively be advertising that Wonga are morally reprehensible every game he played, well worth the tens of millions I'm sure. Thanks for being so condescending first of all but given this has been public knowledge for over a month I'm not sure what other options are available apart from option 3 (which you casually didn't quote). I I know as much as you but to me if club is/was clear on it being Wonga or you go why would Cisse want to stay/still be here? To me, unless it's something mad outlandish, as in real life it's up to the employer to sort it out not the employee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 I'm curious as to why all of this is kicking off only just now when Wonga was announced in September of last year. To be fair it was reported almost from day one that we'd have a problem with the Muslim players over this. Cisse was consistently mentioned. Best I could find on google (from 1/9/2012 to 1/6/2013) was a few articles from the start by local clerics/imams about it, usual daily mail troublemaking although I think there was a telegraph article in there too. Nothing actually from the players themselves. And then radio silence. I reserve the right to be disappointed in him for leaving it to the 11th hour to start this. It was reported properly about Cisse having an issue with it on 11th June. It's now just about the 24th July and precisely nothing has been done about it. It could be described as the 11th hour in terms of the deal being announced last year, but there's much more to say it's just gross incompetence that this hasn't been What do we do to sort this within a guarenteed time scale then? Give him a huge pay rise to negate his beliefs? Cancel a multi million pound contract for one player? Transfer list him to ensure we recieve a pittance when he goes? We shouldn't have signed the contract in the first place, so aye, that one. Ah ok we'll just tell that to Wongas lawers and they'll understand I'm sure. Seriously what does anyone here realistically think Cisse is looking for as a solution. New contract morally makes no difference and he shouldnt get one anyway. We're legally contracted to to Wonga and if Cisse wants to get away so badky why doesnt he hand in a transfer request? Because he'll lose his loyalty bonus, which he's probably hoping to earn some heavy interest on, if he doesnt gamble is first. Come on this is ludicrous. We all know Ashley and thd rest are insidious as fuck. But Cisses actions here stink to high heaven. Its amazing that people cant see how wrong one side is simply because they hate the other side so much. Anyway I'm bored of this shit.. How do you know he wants to get away so badly? Or are you just assuming this? I didn't mean he's desperate to leave so he's using the situation to engineer a move (a bigger contract would probably sooth his morales..). What I meant was that if his mind is made up on refusing to wear the clubs sponsor then there's no other solution but to leave. Thats something he surely has to realise. So then why not just put in a transfer request? Maybe he doesn't want to leave? A better contract like the one Benteke just got at Villa might do the trick and it would probably still be cheaper than buying Darren Bent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 He can fuck off if a new contract does sort it out like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 He can f*** off if a new contract does sort it out like he'll be better off anyway, can't see him going to aspers for a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strongbow69 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 what has been said is he disagrees with wearing Wonga, conjecture that he wants an improved contract and judged on that?, wtf where did that even come from? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 what has been said is he disagrees with wearing Wonga, conjecture that he wants an improved contract and judged on that?, wtf where did that even come from? Couple of people on here said it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strongbow69 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 what has been said is he disagrees with wearing Wonga, conjecture that he wants an improved contract and judged on that?, wtf where did that even come from? Couple of people on here said it. proof then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 He can fuck off if a new contract does sort it out like what has been said is he disagrees with wearing Wonga, conjecture that he wants an improved contract and judged on that?, wtf where did that even come from? It's all conjecture at this point so I wouldn't draw too many conclusions from what people are conjecturing on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 what has been said is he disagrees with wearing Wonga, conjecture that he wants an improved contract and judged on that?, wtf where did that even come from? Couple of people on here said it. proof then some see it as a flimsy excuse so have defaulted to N'zogbia as the last flimsy excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest strongbow69 Posted July 23, 2013 Share Posted July 23, 2013 It should be worth noting this started before the 10th of JUNE http://tyneandwear.sky.com/newcastleunited/article/70273/newcastle-and-papiss-cisse-set-for-sit-down-talks-over-wonga and no further forward 6weeks later, shambles tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 what has been said is he disagrees with wearing Wonga, conjecture that he wants an improved contract and judged on that?, wtf where did that even come from? Couple of people on here said it. proof then some see it as a flimsy excuse so have defaulted to N'zogbia as the last flimsy excuse. Insomnia didn't want an improved contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 When it comes down to it if Cisse refuses to wear a Wonga shirt he refuses and that's it, why doesn't matter. The club then has the choice of reaching a compromise i.e. a shirt without Wonga branding or to sell him. They could sue him for being in breach of contract which he almost certainly is, but the religious angle means that is not a viable option. One thing is for sure and that is Cisse is in for a world of pain over this whole Casino thing, not only with the righteous (sic) press but with the Muslim community also. In the meanwhile I'm going to put a bit of money on us going down, hardly gambling, pretty much nailed on I would have thought. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 I'm gonna wait till Sep 1st. But yeah, I reckon I'm in the same boat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 what has been said is he disagrees with wearing Wonga, conjecture that he wants an improved contract and judged on that?, wtf where did that even come from? Couple of people on here said it. proof then some see it as a flimsy excuse so have defaulted to N'zogbia as the last flimsy excuse. Insomnia didn't want an improved contract. bet he made a load on the move not to mention wanting out due to seeing the way the club was going, hey why not force your way out without having to put in a transfer request. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 bet he made a load on the move. Just like most players who move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 24, 2013 Share Posted July 24, 2013 bet he made a load on the move. Just like most players who move. did he put in a transfer request ? long time ago and I cant remember for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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