Cajun Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 You're looking solely on stats and not the bigger picture. I am talking about having someone who is capable of getting us goals this season. You cannot include that goal for Cisse as him showing goalscoring form. Fair enough he has two goals to his name this season but in terms of goals he has actually scored (ie he had any thought behind the finish) he has scored one. Can't believe you are actually trying to credit him that goal, a blade of grass/crossbar/post/the bloody wind has had as much of a hand in goals as Cisse did that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted December 21, 2012 Share Posted December 21, 2012 First goal the mora Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Cisse can't score for shit at the moment, thankfully Ba can. I don't believe this proposed change is magically going to get Cisse banging them in. Seems moronic to suggest we move our most prolific striker (by some way) into a position he struggles to score from when the alternative is in such a drought. Wahey! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Ba is the one scoring goals and he should play up top. When Cisse starts scoring again, then that will be the time for that discussion. Both are/were playing central. Ba has taken his chances, Cisse hasn't. I am pro 4-4-3/4-5-1/4-2-3-1 as anyone but I don't believe the only reason Cisse isn't scoring is because Ba isn't playing on the left. If Cisse starts banging them in I will change my mind but so far Ba is the one who has EARNED that central role. He has forced the issue but as he is walking the walk I can't see how anyone can take issue with him. If he kicked off to play centrally then failed then fair enough but he has scored the majority of our goals and justified his request. If we play better with one up top it shouldn't be the one who is performing that is dropped. Clap for this man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Ba is the one scoring goals and he should play up top. When Cisse starts scoring again, then that will be the time for that discussion. How's that ever going to happen, though? Ba leaving? How is Cisse ever going to start scoring again? Come on, man. He's either going to have to start scoring as a winger or in a partnership with Ba - neither will happen on a consistent basis. Heavens forbid, score alongside another striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Never thought I'd see petulance from him as he always seems dappy as any thing but I guess it's a sign of the times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Never thought I'd see petulance from him as he always seems dappy as any thing but I guess it's a sign of the times. Played out of position, plays better than a tiring Ba and gets subbed off before the hour. The lad has every right to be p*ssed off and show it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Never thought I'd see petulance from him as he always seems dappy as any thing but I guess it's a sign of the times. I wouldn't call that petulance. The man was absolutely raging. I feel for him like. He's being deployed in an absolutely ridiculous role that he is completely and utterly unsuited to. I'm no football manager, but i'm sorry, there has got to be more options than: a) up top in a 4-4-2, or b) 60 yards away from goal on the wing. It's total bullshit. He's playing out of skin, and the only thing rendering him more than totally useless is some nice footwork here and there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Never thought I'd see petulance from him as he always seems dappy as any thing but I guess it's a sign of the times. I wouldn't call that petulance. The man was absolutely raging. I feel for him like. He's being deployed in an absolutely ridiculous role that he is completely and utterly unsuited to. I'm no football manager, but i'm sorry, there has got to be more options than: a) up top in a 4-4-2, or b) 60 yards away from goal on the wing. It's total bullshit. He's playing out of skin, and the only thing rendering him more than totally useless is some nice footwork here and there. Not shaking Pardew's hand is pretty petulant. However I doubt I would shake Pardew's hand if I was him either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 It's awful to see such a good striker toiling on the wing. I completely sympathise with his frustration, not helping by his replacement scoring the winner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I saw him touch Pardew's hand. There was no snub as such, not that I'd have blamed him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Had every right to feel aggrieved IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I know the crowd weren't happy when he (Papiss) went off. But Shola is a big man for the big occasion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I know the crowd weren't happy when he (Papiss) went off. But Shola is a big man for the big occasion. Classic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Big occasion - 6 pointer Vs QPR - woopppyyy. Btw, He wasn't sulking too long he was going wild when Shola scored high fiving everyone in the dugout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I am glad he was pissed off maybe he needs to get angry, yeah Shola scored but how would Shola do if he was stuck out on the wing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Him (and Jonas tbh) are basically being hung out to dry at the moment with the roles they're being asked to perform. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Big occasion - 6 pointer Vs QPR - woopppyyy. Btw, He wasn't sulking too long he was going wild when Shola scored high fiving everyone in the dugout. That's no less than i'd expect from the most passionate player in the squad, but that's a relief to hear all the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Him (and Jonas tbh) are basically being hung out to dry at the moment with the roles they're being asked to perform. Agree about Cisse but not Jonas. Jonas has played in the position he has played most of his career and been shit this season. He just looks finished as a top player, i say thet with a heavy heart as was a big fan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 I am glad he was pissed off maybe he needs to get angry, yeah Shola scored but how would Shola do if he was stuck out on the wing. Pretty much sums up my feelings on the matter. Maybe he needs to rock the boat like Ba did, Ba gets to play in his favored position now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Him (and Jonas tbh) are basically being hung out to dry at the moment with the roles they're being asked to perform. I think Jonas is just shit tbh. He was never much of a footballer to start with, but now he's lost some pace he's just useless really. Totally agree on Cisse; tragic what's going on with him. Like i said earlier, Pardew seems to have two options for him: / Up top alongside Ba / Sixty yards from goal on the wing Is Pards saying those are the only two options available to him? Absolute nonsense. He's got to find a way to integrate all of these brilliant players we have, like he did last season (with awesome results). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 If Ba's being a knob and we expect him to go. Play him on the fucking wing and get this lads confidence up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Him (and Jonas tbh) are basically being hung out to dry at the moment with the roles they're being asked to perform. Jonas looks abysmal in every role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Feel for this lad, really do. Can't believe Pardew is criticizing him for not getting goals when he is stuck out on the right win, such poor management that we're wasting this guys talents. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 22, 2012 Share Posted December 22, 2012 Ofc he should be pissed off, angers no bad thing. Judging by today should be upfront instead of ba anyway, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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