Dave Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'm all for some thoughtful analysis and its a forum where debate and difference in opinions are what drives the damn thing, but this Cisse slagging is some ridiculous shit. He scored for fun in the 2nd half of last season and has struggled this season in a struggling team. He has much to work to do - but that can be said about the rest of our squad and our manager - who for the most part have not been up to par this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'm all for some thoughtful analysis and its a forum where debate and difference in opinions are what drives the damn thing, but this Cisse slagging is some ridiculous s***. He scored for fun in the 2nd half of last season and has struggled this season in a struggling team. He has much to work to do - but that can be said about the rest of our squad and our manager - who for the most part have not been up to par this season. Can't disagree with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'd have Benteke. At 21, he's a better all-rounder and prospect. Point is, these are inferior strikers in inferior teams,who have scored more goals. So, Cisse must take some of the blame. Most of the blame for his lack of goals. "About right" is bullshit. Worse strikers in worse teams do better. And you don't think there's another reason that these 'inferior' players might have gotten more goals? The fact that the managers might play to said strikers' strengths? Wigan and Southampton play open and attacking football, I bet they've created more clear-cut opportunities over the course of the season than we have. I'd say Villa are more attacking too, they're another one let down by a poor defence. Let's not forget that Benteke and Lambert also take penalties too, as well as free kicks for the latter. I think there's blame on both sides, Cisse's poor form is partly down to rubbish management and partly down to him. We are 12th for GS. Way more goals than Villa and Wigan. 12 more than Villa ffs. We've 1 less than S'hampton. Maybe Kone's pace in behind has got him a few goals? Benteke's strength a few goals. Lambert ability to take a penalty etc. you understand? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 If we cashed in on Cisse in the summer and he was playing like this for another team we'd be laughing our nuts off like we have with Carroll. Make no mistake he's been at worst dogshit and at best average this season, I really don't know who the real Cisse is, last seasons or this. Players who've let us down this season but have quality have shown an upturn at some point, for me he's not done enough for me to class him as one of them, but I still have faith he will by the Nd of the season. If not then we really need to be looking at a new striker to take his place, out of form for a year is not good enough for where we want to be no matter how nice a lad he seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 What Kanji said Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi_D Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Is college dropout a windup merchant that I've not picked up on? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'm all for some thoughtful analysis and its a forum where debate and difference in opinions are what drives the damn thing, but this Cisse slagging is some ridiculous s***. He scored for fun in the 2nd half of last season and has struggled this season in a struggling team. He has much to work to do - but that can be said about the rest of our squad and our manager - who for the most part have not been up to par this season. Why is it more ridiculous to criticise Cisse for underperforming than others, such as Pardew or Jonas? You say he's been part of a struggling team as if that absolves him of any criticism, but he's been as much as anyone in a position to influence that. Imagine where we would be now if he'd scored at the same rate as the second half of last season, or even one in two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 If we cashed in on Cisse in the summer and he was playing like this for another team we'd be laughing our nuts off like we have with Carroll. Make no mistake he's been at worst dogshit and at best average this season, I really don't know who the real Cisse is, last seasons or this. Players who've let us down this season but have quality have shown an upturn at some point, for me he's not done enough for me to class him as one of them, but I still have faith he will by the Nd of the season. If not then we really need to be looking at a new striker to take his place, out of form for a year is not good enough for where we want to be no matter how nice a lad he seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 You've said Cisse's "positioning" is better than Benteke's despite Cisse being offside loads. You also said something about appreciation for space and others. Despite trying backheels when people are open. And maing idiotic runs from time to time right next to one of our players. And i'm the WUM? I like Cisse but he has been piss poor this year. It's not Jonas fault or all down to Pardew. If we cashed in on Cisse in the summer and he was playing like this for another team we'd be laughing our nuts off like we have with Carroll. Make no mistake he's been at worst dogshit and at best average this season, I really don't know who the real Cisse is, last seasons or this. Players who've let us down this season but have quality have shown an upturn at some point, for me he's not done enough for me to class him as one of them, but I still have faith he will by the Nd of the season. If not then we really need to be looking at a new striker to take his place, out of form for a year is not good enough for where we want to be no matter how nice a lad he seems. Agreed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Is college dropout a windup merchant that I've not picked up on? Pretty much, yeah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I'd have Benteke. At 21, he's a better all-rounder and prospect. Point is, these are inferior strikers in inferior teams,who have scored more goals. So, Cisse must take some of the blame. Most of the blame for his lack of goals. "About right" is bullshit. Worse strikers in worse teams do better. And you don't think there's another reason that these 'inferior' players might have gotten more goals? The fact that the managers might play to said strikers' strengths? Wigan and Southampton play open and attacking football, I bet they've created more clear-cut opportunities over the course of the season than we have. I'd say Villa are more attacking too, they're another one let down by a poor defence. Let's not forget that Benteke and Lambert also take penalties too, as well as free kicks for the latter. I think there's blame on both sides, Cisse's poor form is partly down to rubbish management and partly down to him. We are 12th for GS. Way more goals than Villa and Wigan. 12 more than Villa ffs. We've 1 less than S'hampton. Maybe Kone's pace in behind has got him a few goals? Benteke's strength a few goals. Lambert ability to take a penalty etc. you understand? I didn't realise that goals scored was simply an indicator of how many good chances a team creates. All of those strikers, bar LeFondre (and he's not far off at all), have had more shots a game than Cisse, telling you all you need to know about them getting service, which will no doubt correlate to the way their team plays. And yes, I understand what you're saying, Cisse is a worse striker than Ricky Lambert and Adam LeFondre I'm done with this, it's boring everyone's tits off and you're blinded by an agenda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 You've said Cisse's "positioning" is better than Benteke's despite Cisse being offside loads. Cisse total offsides... 27 Benteke total offsides... 40 I realise you're trying to be all mischievous and contrary but that still doesn't excuse you from being able to create a coherent argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Ah, get in! Was hoping someone would dig out a stat. Just knew that comment was based on fuck all other than an agenda. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 No not really.I could play for Barcelona and i'd barely get a kick at goal all game. Why? Too slow, crap first touch, crap movement. He himself has scored plenty in this team, as has Ba. Best scored 6 in 11 at one point. Carroll a dozen too. The team is good enough to provide for a striker in good/decent form. Yes, Rickie Lambert has played better than Papiss Cisse this season. He's been out of the team at times too. Can we admit that? Is Lambert a better player? I highly doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 You've said Cisse's "positioning" is better than Benteke's despite Cisse being offside loads. Cisse total offsides... 27 Benteke total offsides... 40 I realise you're trying to be all mischievous and contrary but that still doesn't excuse you from being able to create a coherent argument. My point was, he was just saying loads of things without much evidence. Nowhere did I say Benteke's positioning was good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 get in... Cisse to me like a lot of players has been too deep this season, i thank him for linking play with the midfield i really do it helps but he has hardly been in the box or in and around the box this season. That is a big part of the problem of him not getting chances he's never bloody there when we actually create them. I really doubt he wants to be running back to the half way line passing to Cabaye, so it must be a tactic by Pardew. He's not even getting into the position to score the goals he did last season, i really hope that changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 You've said Cisse's "positioning" is better than Benteke's despite Cisse being offside loads. Cisse total offsides... 27 Benteke total offsides... 40 http://www.upstreamonline.com/migration_catalog/article1195296.ece/ALTERNATES/article_main/Boxing+Punch+Boxers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 What Unbelievable is saying... if he's not that strong, nor fast. Can't create from nothing. Isn't great at link-up. And is so reliant on excellent service. Maybe, just maybe.... he's not that great of a footballer. This is why I compare him to Bent. For ages people have been telling me he's more than a poacher. Definitely the worst post I've ever read. Where am I wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 What Unbelievable is saying... if he's not that strong, nor fast. Can't create from nothing. Isn't great at link-up. And is so reliant on excellent service. Maybe, just maybe.... he's not that great of a footballer. This is why I compare him to Bent. For ages people have been telling me he's more than a poacher. Definitely the worst post I've ever read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 If we cashed in on Cisse in the summer and he was playing like this for another team we'd be laughing our nuts off like we have with Carroll. Make no mistake he's been at worst dogshit and at best average this season, I really don't know who the real Cisse is, last seasons or this. Players who've let us down this season but have quality have shown an upturn at some point, for me he's not done enough for me to class him as one of them, but I still have faith he will by the Nd of the season. If not then we really need to be looking at a new striker to take his place, out of form for a year is not good enough for where we want to be no matter how nice a lad he seems. Just to add though, I believe most of it is down to Pardew (and said so at the time) him pandering to Ba to get him to stay, forcing Cisse out wide, it was horrific to watch and it has effected him. But time to put that behind him, take his chances upfront and be a main striker again. Really cannot blame Pardew now for Cisse's form even if he did put him on this path with his utter bullshit first half of the season, he's got to be mentally stronger and take responsibility (not saying he doesn't but the fans are making too many excuses for him) for his own performances and fluffed chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 What Unbelievable is saying... if he's not that strong, nor fast. Can't create from nothing. Isn't great at link-up. And is so reliant on excellent service. Maybe, just maybe.... he's not that great of a footballer. This is why I compare him to Bent. For ages people have been telling me he's more than a poacher. Definitely the worst post I've ever read. Where am I wrong? In the head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I love Cissé, fantastic footballer and a great person. The people slagging him off can get to fuck. That's my deep and thoughtful contribution to this thread for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I love Cissé, fantastic footballer and a great person. The people slagging him off can get to f***. That's my deep and thoughtful contribution to this thread for now. I'd take this post over the doom & gloom that makes its way into every thread now a days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 That's basically what I think as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimburst Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 I love Cissé, fantastic footballer and a great person. The people slagging him off can get to fuck. That's my deep and thoughtful contribution to this thread for now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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