AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Ba scored 13 in 21 for a shit team but it was 'completely unrealistic' to expect Cisse to score 20 in 47 for that same team. Okay. Ba is better at making his own chances from scraps, not much doubt about that. Ba is probably a better player overall, doesn't stop Cisse being a top striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 i do not blame him for his poor form last season. He was put out wide (after scoring 13 goals in 13 matches or so)...where he can´t play coz he does not have the attributes for it. He is a killer in the box - one of the best imo. When ba left and he was put back in the box and he had no support. arfa out injured and he was left alone on top with hardly any help. Still he tried hard all season. If anyone should be unhappy it should be him. Great player - he has his limitations as many others...he did not come here to be alone striker or play on the wing!!! We should be happy if does not leave this summer imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Not again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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sugoinufc Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Ba scored 13 in 21 for a s*** team but it was 'completely unrealistic' to expect Cisse to score 20 in 47 for that same team. Okay. arfa being out played a big part as well (all creativity and threats gone) ...and we did become worse and worse during the season. good first half in many matches and then creating nothing in 2nd half. Hard conditions for a striker!! Never really complained - just tried his best! Hope he is here for next season! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Cisse scored the same amount of goals as Ba did in Germany...Cisse just scored them in around 30 less games. I think Cisse can be a far more deadly striker than Ba can be but this is just my opinion. Thought we worked well with Ba out wide but things went tits up when Ba demanded to play centrally start of this season, albeit he scored the goals but we didn't look anywhere near as effective as when he was out wide. Shafting Cisse out there did nothing but hinder us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Worse and worse apart from the run of home wins after January without which we'd have been dead and buried. Definitely worse though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It comes down to confidence and form, Cisse had none last year, Ba did. I didn't think he was rubbish by any means but he definitely wasn't playing to the best of his ability. The team being poor on the whole is a possible reason for that but a lot of the blame* obviously falls on Cisses' shoulders as well, on the flip side Ba was the star of the show and was putting away pretty much everything he touched, his confidence would have been sky high. * I hate using the word blame mind, and it's been the use of that by people that has probably irked some and led to some of the massive debates in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Worse and worse apart from the run of home wins after January without which we'd have been dead and buried. Definitely worse though. true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Sigh.. Cisse wasn't shifted out wide to accomodate Ba playing centrally. They both played centrally for the best part of the first half of the season. Only when it became apparent Ba was scoring goals and Cisse wasn't, we briefly went to a lone forward, where Ba was understandably preferred to lead the line, considering his form up until that point. Rather than Cisse being dropped outright, he played a few matches out wide, which didn't work out for him, but was worth a try imho. Only once was Cisse playing out wide really unforgiveable, and this was to accomodate Shola playing centrally straight after Ba had left, where Pardew came out with some grade A bollocks about having prepared a game plan all week long, and Shola replacing Ba was the easier transition. That was the match in which we should have put our trust in Cisse to be our main man and step out of Ba's shadow, and Pardew fucked it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Sigh.. Cisse wasn't shifted out wide to accomodate Ba playing centrally. They both played centrally for the best part of the first half of the season. Only when it became apparent Ba was scoring goals and Cisse wasn't, we briefly went to a lone forward, where Ba was understandably preferred to lead the line, considering his form up until that point. Rather than Cisse being dropped outright, he played a few matches out wide, which didn't work out for him, but was worth a try imho. Only once was Cisse playing out wide really unforgiveable, and this was to accomodate Shola playing centrally straight after Ba had left, where Pardew came out with some grade A bollocks about having prepared a game plan all week long, and Shola replacing Ba was the easier transition. That was the match in which we should have put our trust in Cisse to be our main man and step out of Ba's shadow, and Pardew fucked it up. Massively spot on that, for me anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Just saying, he was scoring when we were playing s**** so I don't know why Cisse would get a bye. Fair enough, well Ba doesn't play for us any more so obviously the rules are different. Tbh i have come around to TT's line of thinking with regards to Cisse, genuinely do believe he needs competition and not just a partner. Would look to sign someone pacey to stretch defences and someone who can hold the ball up. ( very unlikely i know) But then again i don't really trust Pardew to rotate them properly if that happened. I was happy we didn't sign Shane Long. But he's the type of useful player we need. His type would do well alongside Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Ba scored 13 in 21 for a s*** team but it was 'completely unrealistic' to expect Cisse to score 20 in 47 for that same team. Okay. Ba is better at making his own chances from scraps, not much doubt about that. Ba is probably a better player overall, doesn't stop Cisse being a top striker. It does like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Sigh.. Cisse wasn't shifted out wide to accomodate Ba playing centrally. They both played centrally for the best part of the first half of the season. Only when it became apparent Ba was scoring goals and Cisse wasn't, we briefly went to a lone forward, where Ba was understandably preferred to lead the line, considering his form up until that point. Rather than Cisse being dropped outright, he played a few matches out wide, which didn't work out for him, but was worth a try imho. Only once was Cisse playing out wide really unforgiveable, and this was to accomodate Shola playing centrally straight after Ba had left, where Pardew came out with some grade A bollocks about having prepared a game plan all week long, and Shola replacing Ba was the easier transition. That was the match in which we should have put our trust in Cisse to be our main man and step out of Ba's shadow, and Pardew fucked it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Sigh.. Cisse wasn't shifted out wide to accomodate Ba playing centrally. They both played centrally for the best part of the first half of the season. Only when it became apparent Ba was scoring goals and Cisse wasn't, we briefly went to a lone forward, where Ba was understandably preferred to lead the line, considering his form up until that point. Rather than Cisse being dropped outright, he played a few matches out wide, which didn't work out for him, but was worth a try imho. Only once was Cisse playing out wide really unforgiveable, and this was to accomodate Shola playing centrally straight after Ba had left, where Pardew came out with some grade A bollocks about having prepared a game plan all week long, and Shola replacing Ba was the easier transition. That was the match in which we should have put our trust in Cisse to be our main man and step out of Ba's shadow, and Pardew f***ed it up. Here, here. Very, very true. People very quick to forget Demba being on the bench at Everton, then saving the day with a MoTM performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 Where? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 I though Harper was MOTM against Everton, anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It's quite a weird subject to have such divided camps over, this Cisse thing. We've got a lethal striker who's 100% focused on getting goals whenever he plays, you would have thought Newcastle fans would absolutely love him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It's quite a weird subject to have such divided camps over, this Cisse thing. We've got a lethal striker who's 100% focused on getting goals whenever he plays, you would have thought Newcastle fans would absolutely love him. Yep. I think we all agree he's a good/very good striker who had a bad year (for whatever reason) so the long debates are a bit pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It's quite a weird subject to have such divided camps over, this Cisse thing. We've got a lethal striker who's 100% focused on getting goals whenever he plays, you would have thought Newcastle fans would absolutely love him. There seems to be much talk but little communication. I think there are two debates that get entangled. The first is over how much you rate Cisse as a finisher. The second is whether you think the situation will improve by providing Cisse with better ‘service’, or whether we need to rethink the strategy with a different type of striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sugoinufc Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 great and spectacular player - hope he stays here for a couple of seasons more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It's quite a weird subject to have such divided camps over, this Cisse thing. We've got a lethal striker who's 100% focused on getting goals whenever he plays, you would have thought Newcastle fans would absolutely love him. haven't really been following, are many saying "get rid" or just that he had a poor season last season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted June 4, 2013 Share Posted June 4, 2013 It's quite a weird subject to have such divided camps over, this Cisse thing. We've got a lethal striker who's 100% focused on getting goals whenever he plays, you would have thought Newcastle fans would absolutely love him. haven't really been following, are many saying "get rid" or just that he had a poor season last season ? It's more people saying that if a big money offer comes in for him that they would take it and let him go. I, for one, would prefer that he stays. One thing I hope they do with him is to sit him down and go through one of his games and tell him what he could do better (ie. doing things more simpler and staying onside). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Some things he's good at and some things he's not. If we're going to utilise him then we will have to play to his strengths more. If that means changing the ethos and application of the team then you can see the sense if getting someone in who's more akin to what the manager wants/needs. Hardly rocket science. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HawK Posted June 5, 2013 Share Posted June 5, 2013 Pretty much all the player threads revolve around players not being played to their strengths. How can a PL manager not realize what thousands can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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