Papiss Cissé

[Guest H09]

Good on him, he has principles and he's standing by them...how many people on here could say they've done something similar?

 

 

I was a vegetarian for a day but I wore my leather belt.

 

Me and Cisse are the pinnacle of the principled man.

[Shush]

Wonder if he's still with Miss Newcastle, she needs to have a word.

 

Didn't seem to have much trouble leaving Miss Freiburg.

[madras]

At the end of the day he has an issue with our sponsors, it doesn't matter if it's religious or personal opinion, it doesn't matter if we think Wonga is in the same industry as Virgin or Northern Rock (which arguably is ten times worse seen as they contributed to the recession in 2007).

 

He has an opinion and he is making a stand.

 

Good on him, he has principles and he's standing by them...how many people on here could say they've done something similar?

 

For those old enough, who remembers Daly Thompson making a stand in the 1984 Olympics? He was against alcohol advertising and refused to wear any logos on the kit and was close to being kicked out of the Olympics. I think he had pretty much the entire world behind him at the time.......and won (both medals and his cause).

 

I think we need to take a step back and stop taking it so personally.....FFS the majority of fans weren't happy with Wonga becoming our sponsors, at least someone has the balls to stand up against them.

 

If it doesn't work out, so be it, good luck to him and I'm sure we'll make most of our money back!

many are confused as to his principles though. high rates of interest to people who can't afford it=bad,deliberate mis selling of products, fixing LIBOR,  tax avoidance , playing a large role in bringing the country to its knees, charging £25 in "fees" for going £1 overdrawn= not really worth saying anything about as it means he wouldn't be really able to play in any league that has a tie in with a major bank without looking a complete hypocrate.

 

if anyone wants to complain/protest/take a principled stand then get their priorities in order ffs instead of pointing out theres a 2inch crack in the plaster when in reality the sodding walls have fallen down.

[Tiresias]

Just let him wear a fucking charity logo or something there problem solved ffs

[madras]

Just let him wear a f***ing charity logo or something there problem solved ffs

i'm not necessarily against that but would it lead to others doing the same thing and in the end the sponsors not bothering (not too bad a thing) or paying the players directly to "persuade" them which means more money leaving the game to the players.

[chicago_shearer]

Did any of the people equivocating Wonga with Virgin and consumer lending in general finance their home through a pay day lender? Since they're all as bad as one another?

[madras]

Did any of the people equivocating Wonga with Virgin and consumer lending in general finance their home through a pay day lender? Since they're all as bad as one another?

no, did wonga fix the libor rates and lie about its insurances products, I know which has robbed more and created most pain for the country.

[Belfast Mags]

This is all beyond fucking boring now.

 

Me head hurts thinking about it tbh. 

[Cajun]

Did any of the people equivocating Wonga with Virgin and consumer lending in general finance their home through a pay day lender? Since they're all as bad as one another?

 

Why would you finance your home through a pay day lender?

 

The clue is in the name surely? Unless you earn a few hundred thousand pounds a month I think a pay day loan might be a little unrealistic when purchasing a house

[Mick]

no, did wonga fix the libor rates and lie about its insurances products, I know which has robbed more and created most pain for the country.

 

 

Were Wonga in a position to fix LIBOR?  Were Wonga in a position to lie about it's insurance products?

 

I've just checked Barclays and Wonga to see what they are charging for loans.  At Barclays it costs you £102.42 to borrow £1000 for a year, at Wonga it costs you £127.15 to borrow £400 for 30 days.  If you're going to compare companies to Wonga it might be better if you compare them like for like instead of praising one for not doing something it wasn't capable of doing.

[madras]

no, did wonga fix the libor rates and lie about its insurances products, I know which has robbed more and created most pain for the country.

 

 

Were Wonga in a position to fix LIBOR?  Were Wonga in a position to lie about it's insurance products?

 

I've just checked Barclays and Wonga to see what they are charging for loans.  At Barclays it costs you £102.42 to borrow £1000 for a year, at Wonga it costs you £127.15 to borrow £400 for 30 days.  If you're going to compare companies to Wonga it might be better if you compare them like for like instead of praising one for not doing something it wasn't capable of doing.

at barclays I think it also costs you £22  to go £1 overdrawn for 1 day. like i said, hes comlaining about something relatively minor when he is quite happy to wear a logo for something much worse. I wonder what Islam has to say on lying for financial gain and tax avoidance on top of usury ?

[TRon]

no, did wonga fix the libor rates and lie about its insurances products, I know which has robbed more and created most pain for the country.

 

 

Were Wonga in a position to fix LIBOR?  Were Wonga in a position to lie about it's insurance products?

 

I've just checked Barclays and Wonga to see what they are charging for loans.  At Barclays it costs you £102.42 to borrow £1000 for a year, at Wonga it costs you £127.15 to borrow £400 for 30 days.  If you're going to compare companies to Wonga it might be better if you compare them like for like instead of praising one for not doing something it wasn't capable of doing.

at barclays I think it also costs you £22  to go £1 overdrawn for 1 day. like i said, hes comlaining about something relatively minor when he is quite happy to wear a logo for something much worse. I wonder what Islam has to say on lying for financial gain and tax avoidance on top of usury ?

 

GTFO Newcastle and leave it to Darren Bent probably.

[Mick]

at barclays I think it also costs you £22  to go £1 overdrawn for 1 day. like i said, hes comlaining about something relatively minor when he is quite happy to wear a logo for something much worse. I wonder what Islam has to say on lying for financial gain and tax avoidance on top of usury ?

 

So Barclays charge you for taking money you have no right to take?  No doubt Wonga pay people to take money off them.

[Superior Acuña]

no, did wonga fix the libor rates and lie about its insurances products, I know which has robbed more and created most pain for the country.

 

 

Were Wonga in a position to fix LIBOR?  Were Wonga in a position to lie about it's insurance products?

 

I've just checked Barclays and Wonga to see what they are charging for loans.  At Barclays it costs you £102.42 to borrow £1000 for a year, at Wonga it costs you £127.15 to borrow £400 for 30 days.  If you're going to compare companies to Wonga it might be better if you compare them like for like instead of praising one for not doing something it wasn't capable of doing.

 

Comparing them like for like is not really relevant when assessing their ethics. The unethical activities of Barclay's are not focused on their interest rates, that doesn't make them more ethical than Wonga if they're very unethical in other areas that Wonga doesn't deal with.

[chicago_shearer]

Did any of the people equivocating Wonga with Virgin and consumer lending in general finance their home through a pay day lender? Since they're all as bad as one another?

 

Why would you finance your home through a pay day lender?

 

The clue is in the name surely? Unless you earn a few hundred thousand pounds a month I think a pay day loan might be a little unrealistic when purchasing a house

 

Yeah, it might. Bet this will be a fantastic deal.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/financialservices/9486274/Wonga-eyes-mortgages-and-money-transfers.html

[Guest n4e]

at barclays I think it also costs you £22  to go £1 overdrawn for 1 day. like i said, hes comlaining about something relatively minor when he is quite happy to wear a logo for something much worse. I wonder what Islam has to say on lying for financial gain and tax avoidance on top of usury ?

 

So Barclays charge you for taking money you have no right to take?  No doubt Wonga pay people to take money off them.

 

I presume the emphasis is on how needlessly excessive those sort of bank charges are. To be honest though it doesn't make any difference how daft or hypocritical we feel his stance is, if he's sticking to his guns and flat out refusing to wear the sponsor we need to come up with a solution sharpish one way or another.

 

People seem too occupied arguing with regards to religion and the ethics of finance and seemingly ignoring what is another farcical situation we find ourselves in. Right from the off the reports have indicated that Cisse (rightly or wrongly) wouldn't be prepared to be seen as promoting Wonga, yet here we are in the middle of pre season with the future of our only striker in massive doubt. Just a massive mess allround ,without even  factoring in all the negative press and the potential problems it may be causing within the dressing room.

[Guest H09]

no, did wonga fix the libor rates and lie about its insurances products, I know which has robbed more and created most pain for the country.

 

 

Were Wonga in a position to fix LIBOR?  Were Wonga in a position to lie about it's insurance products?

 

I've just checked Barclays and Wonga to see what they are charging for loans.  At Barclays it costs you £102.42 to borrow £1000 for a year, at Wonga it costs you £127.15 to borrow £400 for 30 days.  If you're going to compare companies to Wonga it might be better if you compare them like for like instead of praising one for not doing something it wasn't capable of doing.

 

 

By quantifying crime (crime in sharia law) you are compromising on it.

 

Does sharia law say its alright to charge a little bit of interest? No, it is all strictly forbidden.

[Toondave]

Just let him wear a f***ing charity logo or something there problem solved ffs

i'm not necessarily against that but would it lead to others doing the same thing and in the end the sponsors not bothering (not too bad a thing) or paying the players directly to "persuade" them which means more money leaving the game to the players.

 

What if the club lets players choose their sponsors, every player. give players a % cut based on the deal to discourage any excessive brown paper enveloping

 

might be a bit of hassle for the club if they have to manage it mind. (I doubt we'd adopt this but I mean more generally across the board)

[Guest NobbyOhNobby]

Just let him wear a f***ing charity logo or something there problem solved ffs

i'm not necessarily against that but would it lead to others doing the same thing and in the end the sponsors not bothering (not too bad a thing) or paying the players directly to "persuade" them which means more money leaving the game to the players.

 

What if the club lets players choose their sponsors, every player. give players a % cut based on the deal to discourage any excessive brown paper enveloping

 

might be a bit of hassle for the club if they have to manage it mind. (I doubt we'd adopt this but I mean more generally across the board)

Williamson would be sponsored by B&M bargains or Munchies 2

[Dave]

at barclays I think it also costs you £22  to go £1 overdrawn for 1 day. like i said, hes comlaining about something relatively minor when he is quite happy to wear a logo for something much worse. I wonder what Islam has to say on lying for financial gain and tax avoidance on top of usury ?

 

So Barclays charge you for taking money you have no right to take?  No doubt Wonga pay people to take money off them.

 

I presume the emphasis is on how needlessly excessive those sort of bank charges are. To be honest though it doesn't make any difference how daft or hypocritical we feel his stance is, if he's sticking to his guns and flat out refusing to wear the sponsor we need to come up with a solution sharpish one way or another.

 

People seem too occupied arguing with regards to religion and the ethics of finance and seemingly ignoring what is another farcical situation we find ourselves in. Right from the off the reports have indicated that Cisse (rightly or wrongly) wouldn't be prepared to be seen as promoting Wonga, yet here we are in the middle of pre season with the future of our only striker in massive doubt. Just a massive mess allround ,without even  factoring in all the negative press and the potential problems it may be causing within the dressing room.

 

[themanupstairs]

at barclays I think it also costs you £22  to go £1 overdrawn for 1 day. like i said, hes comlaining about something relatively minor when he is quite happy to wear a logo for something much worse. I wonder what Islam has to say on lying for financial gain and tax avoidance on top of usury ?

 

So Barclays charge you for taking money you have no right to take?  No doubt Wonga pay people to take money off them.

 

I presume the emphasis is on how needlessly excessive those sort of bank charges are. To be honest though it doesn't make any difference how daft or hypocritical we feel his stance is, if he's sticking to his guns and flat out refusing to wear the sponsor we need to come up with a solution sharpish one way or another.

 

People seem too occupied arguing with regards to religion and the ethics of finance and seemingly ignoring what is another farcical situation we find ourselves in. Right from the off the reports have indicated that Cisse (rightly or wrongly) wouldn't be prepared to be seen as promoting Wonga, yet here we are in the middle of pre season with the future of our only striker in massive doubt. Just a massive mess allround ,without even  factoring in all the negative press and the potential problems it may be causing within the dressing room.

 

 

Seconded. It's not our place to make judgements on players' decisions or convictions. At the end of the day we are here because we hope to see a successful football team, and a club to be proud of. This situation remaining unresolved is detrimental to both of the above. Needs sorting out yesterday!

[BottledDog]

at barclays I think it also costs you £22  to go £1 overdrawn for 1 day. like i said, hes comlaining about something relatively minor when he is quite happy to wear a logo for something much worse. I wonder what Islam has to say on lying for financial gain and tax avoidance on top of usury ?

 

So Barclays charge you for taking money you have no right to take?  No doubt Wonga pay people to take money off them.

 

I presume the emphasis is on how needlessly excessive those sort of bank charges are. To be honest though it doesn't make any difference how daft or hypocritical we feel his stance is, if he's sticking to his guns and flat out refusing to wear the sponsor we need to come up with a solution sharpish one way or another.

 

People seem too occupied arguing with regards to religion and the ethics of finance and seemingly ignoring what is another farcical situation we find ourselves in. Right from the off the reports have indicated that Cisse (rightly or wrongly) wouldn't be prepared to be seen as promoting Wonga, yet here we are in the middle of pre season with the future of our only striker in massive doubt. Just a massive mess allround ,without even  factoring in all the negative press and the potential problems it may be causing within the dressing room.

 

 

Seconded. It's not our place to make judgements on players' decisions or convictions. At the end of the day we are here because we hope to see a successful football team, and a club to be proud of. This situation remaining unresolved is detrimental to both of the above. Needs sorting out yesterday!

 

It's not our place to make judgements on players' decisions?

 

Well sorry, but we have every right to judge a players actions and decisions. If he is refusing to wear the shirt and breaking the terms of his contract, then (while I can imagine he has been painted into a corner both buy his own previous quotes and pressure from outside groups), until he actually comes out and is brave enough to explain his position, there will be those of us who are both dissapointed and slightly suspicious of his actions, and hope he quickly comes to his senses like Kanout presumably did.

[biggs]

at barclays I think it also costs you £22  to go £1 overdrawn for 1 day. like i said, hes comlaining about something relatively minor when he is quite happy to wear a logo for something much worse. I wonder what Islam has to say on lying for financial gain and tax avoidance on top of usury ?

 

So Barclays charge you for taking money you have no right to take?  No doubt Wonga pay people to take money off them.

 

I presume the emphasis is on how needlessly excessive those sort of bank charges are. To be honest though it doesn't make any difference how daft or hypocritical we feel his stance is, if he's sticking to his guns and flat out refusing to wear the sponsor we need to come up with a solution sharpish one way or another.

 

People seem too occupied arguing with regards to religion and the ethics of finance and seemingly ignoring what is another farcical situation we find ourselves in. Right from the off the reports have indicated that Cisse (rightly or wrongly) wouldn't be prepared to be seen as promoting Wonga, yet here we are in the middle of pre season with the future of our only striker in massive doubt. Just a massive mess allround ,without even  factoring in all the negative press and the potential problems it may be causing within the dressing room.

 

 

Seconded. It's not our place to make judgements on players' decisions or convictions. At the end of the day we are here because we hope to see a successful football team, and a club to be proud of. This situation remaining unresolved is detrimental to both of the above. Needs sorting out yesterday!

 

It's not our place to make judgements on players' decisions?

 

Well sorry, but we have every right to judge a players actions and decisions. If he is refusing to wear the shirt and breaking the terms of his contract, then (while I can imagine he has been painted into a corner both buy his own previous quotes and pressure from outside groups), until he actually comes out and is brave enough to explain his position, there will be those of us who are both dissapointed and slightly suspicious of his actions, and hope he quickly comes to his senses like Kanout presumably did.

Cisse needs to knock Saylor off the Chronicle microphone sharpish and that will sell more papers than stevelivingthedreamtaylor 

[Dokko]

Cisse out, Remy, Bent & Gomis in. 

 

 

[Skeletor]

Cisse and Shola out, Remy, Bent & Gomis in.