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mrmojorisin75

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if sunderland have any sense at all now they'll shut up shop, he trains the team and is on the sideline for the games otherwise he's not to be seen or heard from with the press 'til next season

 

one mackem on that link said it right, the press always wins with shit like this so they should remove him from them with immediate effect

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basjen

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I feel bad for this haway guy trying to knock some sense into his fellow supporters. Kudos to him, but it's like he's talking to a fucking wall.

 

Haway:

There's no views he could have that would bother you? What about if he thought people from the North East were racially inferior to another group? Would it really not bother you? I think we all have a point were an opinion would be too much to stomach.

 

Some idiots:

When has he ever said this?

Have you ever heard PDC say any of those things ???

 

:facepalm:

 

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771564&page=22#ixzz2PMosZUrJ

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Nobody

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This is just too fucking funny :lol:

The best part about all this is that they are getting all this shit because of a fucking League 1 manager :laugh: It's not like they can fall back on having made a massive coup and got Mourinho or something.

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Guest Phil K

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There is some absolute nonsense being spouted in this thread "football and politics are separate" FFS :lol: Though I disagree, I have no problem with those saying they should be separate but to ignore even something as close to home as the old firm is ridiculous.

 

No is suggesting they are separate are they though? We are suggesting they should be separate. Football is a sport, its a global sport where kids go watching games, its entertainment. I don't see many club campaigning for politicians in elections, I don't see any club adopting an ideology. Football as a sport has grown from that time, nowadays it's more 'company politics' rather than real politics. It exists obviously, but that is what is dirty about the sport.

 

In my opinion we only find clear evidence of politics in the highest governing body of football FIFA and Sepp Blatter.

 

Like I said, most know there is politics involved in football, but I don't agree with you or Icke on how you suggest football works today.

 

Yes, at least one person did:

You've just massively oversimplified the rivalry between Real and Barca. Well done.

 

Your argument is that politics and sport should remain separate however they are not. No amount of hand wringing will change that. They're linked and forever will be. I'm sorry if that upsets you.

 

I've also never once tried to prescribe a political leaning to NUFC. You've simply assumed I have.

Yes they are man.

 

We have 50K crowds made up of people from all walks of life and all political persuasions.

 

PDC's politics are irrelavent and like the above poster said we should be more concerned about any positive impact he has in terms of motivation despite his weak managerial cv.

 

How dare he have an opinion of his own !

That sounds a bit fascist to me ! LOL

 

"It isn't fascist when WE do it !!!"

 

Give it a rest and lets ALL have fun when Canio-or-not-eo comes to town !

(Cue usual tedious responses from the drones)

 

Good point by Gary Bennett though.

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BlueStar

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f***ing morons over there, man.

 

Sunderland :yao:

 

Can't wait to see the abuse he'll get at our place.

 

We know what you are song will probably finish him off  :lol:

 

"You're just a Sad Mackem Fascist!"

 

I have visions of him throwing a wobbler at "Mussolini, was a wanker, was a wanker..."

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Guest Phil K

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I have visions of him throwing a wobbler at "Mussolini, was a w*****, was a w*****..."

I'm looking forward to that. Doubt he'll react though.

He IS ultra-volatile so maybe....hope so

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Dr Venkman

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I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal.

 

Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty.

 

I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money.

 

I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't.

 

I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs.

 

Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids?

 

Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly?

 

Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager.

 

However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists.

 

Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent.

 

There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini.

 

You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was.

 

Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved.

 

 

Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field.

 

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc

 

Decency still exists on the SMB.

That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there.

 

Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics.

 

What is a football club?

 

What is politics?

 

I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. I'm aware that there is politics in terms of company politics or what you want to call it, but that isn't the same typ of politics being discussed here.

 

What is being discussed here is that a man who has a political view that hasn't interefered with his job is being considered as a disgrace to football. I think it's rather more a disgrace that they have signed a league one manager who clearly has had tons of problems at past clubs. But has he let his fascist view get in the way of his job as a football manager? I can't find any evidence of that.

 

I'm not defending Di Canio, he should know more as an human being. But claiming he's a disgrace while we as a club have signed some thugs in the past and gotten away with it. Come sunday and they beat Chelsea no one is going to care if he's a fascist or not. Football is as fickle of a game as politics and it's pathetic at times.

 

 

 

That's a massive assumption. Core beliefs influence everything we do and say, all the time, whether we're at work or not.

 

No, a massive assumption is to suggest that his belief has any effect/impact on the world and the way we live. People need to try and get a larger perspective of things.

 

You have made a massive assumption stating that his beliefs haven't interfered with his job, I'm saying that as human beings our core beliefs interfere with everything we do, at all times. I'd be interested to see you try and deny that.

 

You've also falsely attributed an assumption to me.

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