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There is some absolute nonsense being spouted in this thread "football and politics are separate" FFS :lol: Though I disagree, I have no problem with those saying they should be separate but to ignore even something as close to home as the old firm is ridiculous.

 

No is suggesting they are separate are they though? We are suggesting they should be separate. Football is a sport, its a global sport where kids go watching games, its entertainment. I don't see many club campaigning for politicians in elections, I don't see any club adopting an ideology. Football as a sport has grown from that time, nowadays it's more 'company politics' rather than real politics. It exists obviously, but that is what is dirty about the sport.

 

In my opinion we only find clear evidence of politics in the highest governing body of football FIFA and Sepp Blatter.

 

Like I said, most know there is politics involved in football, but I don't agree with you or Icke on how you suggest football works today.

 

Yes, at least one person did:

You've just massively oversimplified the rivalry between Real and Barca. Well done.

 

Your argument is that politics and sport should remain separate however they are not. No amount of hand wringing will change that. They're linked and forever will be. I'm sorry if that upsets you.

 

I've also never once tried to prescribe a political leaning to NUFC. You've simply assumed I have.

Yes they are man.

 

We have 50K crowds made up of people from all walks of life and all political persuasions.

 

PDC's politics are irrelavent and like the above poster said we should be more concerned about any positive impact he has in terms of motivation despite his weak managerial cv.

 

How dare he have an opinion of his own !

That sounds a bit fascist to me ! LOL

 

"It isn't fascist when WE do it !!!"

 

Give it a rest and lets ALL have fun when Canio-or-not-eo comes to town !

(Cue usual tedious responses from the drones)

 

Good point by Gary Bennett though.

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BlueStar

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f***ing morons over there, man.

 

Sunderland :yao:

 

Can't wait to see the abuse he'll get at our place.

 

We know what you are song will probably finish him off  :lol:

 

"You're just a Sad Mackem Fascist!"

 

I have visions of him throwing a wobbler at "Mussolini, was a wanker, was a wanker..."

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I have visions of him throwing a wobbler at "Mussolini, was a w*****, was a w*****..."

I'm looking forward to that. Doubt he'll react though.

He IS ultra-volatile so maybe....hope so

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I understand some people will be making a big deal out of Di Canio's appointment because they want their 5 minutes in the media, but for others of us this is actually a big deal.

 

Say what you want, but the last thing I want is something to 'cry about' - nor am I a raging lefty.

 

I am going to terminate my season ticket until he leaves, and will return once he leaves I will give the club my money.

 

I understand why for many of you it doesn't matter what his ideology is; and that to you you see football and politics as separate etc. but I just can't.

 

I absolutely believe he has the right to whatever political opinion he wants - but having some political opinions make you unfit for certain jobs.

 

Do you agree with the fact it would be inappropriate for someone who believes in abolishing the age of consent to teach kids?

 

Do you agree with the fact it's right that BNP members can't serve in the police force, as being a national socialist may prevent you from doing your job properly?

 

Personally I believe it's also completely inappropriate that a club which takes a strong anti-racism platform and should be open to all in the community to appoint a fascist as our manager.

 

However it's not even just that he's a fascist - he's chosen to introduce it into his football. He chose to perform nazi salutes - twice - once against Lazio's fiercest rivals with traditionally Jewish support and once against a club with left wing support. That salute was used by those who killed Jews and who killed leftists.

 

Regarding fascism - I think some of you need to research on what it means. The fascism he is talking about re. Mussolini is not somehow a 'light' fascism that's actually about just being nationalistic. It's about the government controlling every aspect of citizens lives - the term totalitarian was invented under fascist Italy. Mussolini himself said their was no such thing as a private sphere. Fundamental to this belief was that certain races, or groups, are better than others. Mussolini killed 10's of thousands in Africa in brutal & oppressive wars that were purely for the conquest of land and Mussolini personally oversaw the movement of thousands of Jews from Italy to Hitler so they could be executed in concentration camps. He took over the country by force and oppressed political dissent.

 

There are many children alive today who have no idea who their parents/ grandparents are and it's because of Mussolini.

 

You can't be an Italian fascist and not be racist in one form or another. You can't have researched Mussolini, chosen to have a tattoo of him on you and not sympathise with some of the genocide he committed- it's simply too much of a defining feature of what he was.

 

Regarding the 'worked with black players' 'they're my friends' all I would say is that many, many racist people associate with people of other races (it baffles me too; but it's true). Simply saying 'I have black mates' doesn't really do it. I would also observe at Swindon he was investigated for racism and while the FA did nothing Swindon felt it necessary to apologise to the player involved.

 

 

Overall I completely respect those fans who choose to keep going but for me unfortunately it's a very sore point and the reason I'm posting this is because I want to make clear many of us who are upset about this aren't going on the TV or papers and aren't making a fuss for the hell of it we are genuinely very upset about this and feel like there has been a betrayal of some higher principle which is more important than success on the field.

 

Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=771017&page=22#ixzz2PFPuWxqc

 

Decency still exists on the SMB.

That's a cracking post, has to be the best post ever made on there.

 

Don't agree. People seriously needs to separate football from politics.

 

What is a football club?

 

What is politics?

 

I've explained the reasoning behind this. A football club is driven like it's a company and not a political party. No one cares, if you are black, white, olive, pale, socialist, conservative, communist when it comes down to football. It's not the 50's or 60's anymore. I'm aware that there is politics in terms of company politics or what you want to call it, but that isn't the same typ of politics being discussed here.

 

What is being discussed here is that a man who has a political view that hasn't interefered with his job is being considered as a disgrace to football. I think it's rather more a disgrace that they have signed a league one manager who clearly has had tons of problems at past clubs. But has he let his fascist view get in the way of his job as a football manager? I can't find any evidence of that.

 

I'm not defending Di Canio, he should know more as an human being. But claiming he's a disgrace while we as a club have signed some thugs in the past and gotten away with it. Come sunday and they beat Chelsea no one is going to care if he's a fascist or not. Football is as fickle of a game as politics and it's pathetic at times.

 

 

 

That's a massive assumption. Core beliefs influence everything we do and say, all the time, whether we're at work or not.

 

No, a massive assumption is to suggest that his belief has any effect/impact on the world and the way we live. People need to try and get a larger perspective of things.

 

You have made a massive assumption stating that his beliefs haven't interfered with his job, I'm saying that as human beings our core beliefs interfere with everything we do, at all times. I'd be interested to see you try and deny that.

 

You've also falsely attributed an assumption to me.

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There is some absolute nonsense being spouted in this thread "football and politics are separate" FFS :lol: Though I disagree, I have no problem with those saying they should be separate but to ignore even something as close to home as the old firm is ridiculous.

 

No is suggesting they are separate are they though? We are suggesting they should be separate. Football is a sport, its a global sport where kids go watching games, its entertainment. I don't see many club campaigning for politicians in elections, I don't see any club adopting an ideology. Football as a sport has grown from that time, nowadays it's more 'company politics' rather than real politics. It exists obviously, but that is what is dirty about the sport.

 

In my opinion we only find clear evidence of politics in the highest governing body of football FIFA and Sepp Blatter.

 

Like I said, most know there is politics involved in football, but I don't agree with you or Icke on how you suggest football works today.

 

Yes, at least one person did:

You've just massively oversimplified the rivalry between Real and Barca. Well done.

 

Your argument is that politics and sport should remain separate however they are not. No amount of hand wringing will change that. They're linked and forever will be. I'm sorry if that upsets you.

 

I've also never once tried to prescribe a political leaning to NUFC. You've simply assumed I have.

Yes they are man.

 

We have 50K crowds made up of people from all walks of life and all political persuasions.

 

PDC's politics are irrelavent and like the above poster said we should be more concerned about any positive impact he has in terms of motivation despite his weak managerial cv.

 

How dare he have an opinion of his own !

That sounds a bit fascist to me ! LOL

 

"It isn't fascist when WE do it !!!"

 

Give it a rest and lets ALL have fun when Canio-or-not-eo comes to town !

(Cue usual tedious responses from the drones)

 

Good point by Gary Bennett though.

 

What are you getting at here? :lol: I've said its fine if people feel that football and politics should be separate, despite not agree with them.

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Doctor Zaius

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came in here to post that, i'd tend to agree with that. Although it's funny seeing the mackems in so much shit and PDC being hounded by the media, it is, in a sense fairly hypocritical. The massive amounts of stick he's getting by the media, by those who know what they're talking about and those who dont even know what fascism is suggests a lack of free speech. On the other hand, racism on the continent and is a massive issue, particularly in Italy and it wont go anywhere untill those who drum up racial hatred leave the game forever, Di Canio, giving the Roman salute to Lazio fans suggests supports the racists views. He should have been banned for a long, long time for that by UEFA but sadly, we all know how little they give a fuck.

 

 

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Is it a lack of free speech though? 

 

Similar to what Gervais always says when he's on one of his boring religious rants.  "You have the right to hold those views.  I have the right to find them utterly fucking ridiculous".  Or something like that.

 

It's the same here.  Although nobody even knows what's going on with his supposed views.  As SAFC have dealt with it terribly and have just put up a wall.  That statement from Margaret Byrne was so bad :lol: it's just fueled the fire.

 

Although he has said it in the past, he's a supporter of Mussolini and has a DUX tattoo.  Plus all the stuff with Lazio fans.  But how dare you accuse him of being fascist or racist....

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:lol: fucking gerrin.  One woman called up Total Sport on Monday night saying that all other teams will go to the stadium of far right and give the salute to wind him up.

 

No, love.  That's what you want to happen.  Your fans will do it in support you thick fucking bint.

 

By the end of that thread on RTG someone was fantisising about us being docked points for wearing Hitler taches and doing Nazi salutes and how it could save them from relegation.

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"At least Di Canio is honest about his fascist views "

 

Are you a fascist Paolo?

 

"Uh, I do not have to answer that because there was a statement and it was very clear and this is not the houses of parliament and I don't have to talk about politics"

 

So was that yes or no

 

"IS RIDICULOUS! IS RIDICULOUS FOR ME! I DO NOT HAVE TO TALK ABOUT, IS RIDICULOUS"

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Is it a lack of free speech though? 

 

Similar to what Gervais always says when he's on one of his boring religious rants.  "You have the right to hold those views.  I have the right to find them utterly f***ing ridiculous".  Or something like that.

 

It's the same here.  Although nobody even knows what's going on with his supposed views.  As SAFC have dealt with it terribly and have just put up a wall.  That statement from Margaret Byrne was so bad :lol: it's just fueled the fire.

 

Although he has said it in the past, he's a supporter of Mussolini and has a DUX tattoo.  Plus all the stuff with Lazio fans.  But how dare you accuse him of being fascist or racist....

 

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/all-news/irish-lawyer-margaret-byrne-31-is-new-sunderland-afc-chief-executive-1-3551981

 

Apparently she's a qualified solicitor.... yet she came out with that statement. :lol:

 

 

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All of you can fuck off, I'm a fascist and proud.

 

I thought Jeremy Guscott was an absolutely shite presenter and was glad when the man I love returned for the final two series.

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Is it a lack of free speech though? 

 

Similar to what Gervais always says when he's on one of his boring religious rants.  "You have the right to hold those views.  I have the right to find them utterly f***ing ridiculous".  Or something like that.

 

It's the same here.  Although nobody even knows what's going on with his supposed views.  As SAFC have dealt with it terribly and have just put up a wall.  That statement from Margaret Byrne was so bad :lol: it's just fueled the fire.

 

Although he has said it in the past, he's a supporter of Mussolini and has a DUX tattoo.  Plus all the stuff with Lazio fans.  But how dare you accuse him of being fascist or racist....

 

http://www.sunderlandecho.com/news/local/all-news/irish-lawyer-margaret-byrne-31-is-new-sunderland-afc-chief-executive-1-3551981

 

Apparently she's a qualified solicitor.... yet she came out with that statement. :lol:

 

 

What a fucking dog she is.

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"At least Di Canio is honest about his fascist views "

 

Are you a fascist Paolo?

 

"Uh, I do not have to answer that because there was a statement and it was very clear and this is not the houses of parliament and I don't have to talk about politics"

 

So was that yes or no

 

"IS RIDICULOUS! IS RIDICULOUS FOR ME! I DO NOT HAVE TO TALK ABOUT, IS RIDICULOUS"

 

I know what you're saying, but I think his latest refusal to answer questions was more a desire to move on from the issue than a desire to deny what he has said in the past.

 

My only worry about the furore over his views is that I don't think it should necessarily be impossible for someone with strong political views to hold a senior or public position. The result of that is that everyone is battling to say that they believe the same thing and diversity of opinion is damaged.

 

Obviously the fans and sponsors etc have the right to object to him as well.

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