Cajun Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Why do we do the 'well we can hardly laugh' bit, we can and we should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Why do we do the 'well we can hardly laugh' bit, we can and we should. ok :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=747155 Still believing. If ever there was a sign they were struggling, it's the number of people there who think the solution is Danny Rose at CM. I've no doubt he did a decent job there filling in today, but Jesus, the guy struggled to hold his place for us as the reserve left back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 they are predicting wins based on 10-15 min good spells when chasing and ultimately losing games. jees Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 they are predicting wins based on 10-15 min good spells when chasing and ultimately losing games. jees Come on be fair, theyve been excellent in the 2nd half of every match this season, and they should continue looking at the positives. So unlucky once again today, on a different day one of those freekicks goes in.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=747155 Still believing. DOMINATED Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Apparently Rose can be bought next month with Liverpool and qpr sniffing and spuds willing to sell. Best player by a mile according to them effectively walking away for nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karjala Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Wickham will save them don't you know! The lad has a whopping 18 games of PL experience and has an impressive 1 PL goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Back where they belong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Wickham will save them don't you know! The lad has a whopping 18 games of PL experience and has an impressive 1 PL goal. Tbh I still think there's a decent player in there, reckon he could be a big player for them if they are to turn it around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Wickham will save them don't you know! The lad has a whopping 18 games of PL experience and has an impressive 1 PL goal. Tbh I still think there's a decent player in there, reckon he could be a big player for them if they are to turn it around. Big boy who bullied at kids level tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Wickham will save them don't you know! The lad has a whopping 18 games of PL experience and has an impressive 1 PL goal. Tbh I still think there's a decent player in there, reckon he could be a big player for them if they are to turn it around. Big boy who bullied at kids level tbh. Think his level will be a good option for Stoke. Never once understood the wankfest over him while he was at Ipswich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Wickham will save them don't you know! The lad has a whopping 18 games of PL experience and has an impressive 1 PL goal. Tbh I still think there's a decent player in there, reckon he could be a big player for them if they are to turn it around. Big boy who bullied at kids level tbh. Think his level will be a good option for Stoke. Never once understood the wankfest over him while he was at Ipswich. He was quality for Ipswich, although big showed some really good skills and a nice touch for that level. But made the wrong move, or at least the wrong time. Needed a full season as the main striker at a club and Ipswich would have been perfect. Think Sunderland jumped the gun with him, bought him so we didn't, ended up tying £8m in to a youth player not ready for the Premiership. When he is ready, I think he'll be half decent, it may end up being at another club though. If they go down I'd build the team around him, in the Championship he'd walk it, a lot like Carroll 2nd half for us. Thought people has learned their lesson about writing players off early, he's still a teenager FFS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Oliver Holt tweeting today that Short hasn't backed MON properly. See, that is really MON all over, in that he is given 25m to spend (and, let's be honest, unless you're a CL side, that's a decent wad), and opts to buy just the two players, and they're both predictable UK buys, and both massively overpriced. Their run of fixtures up next looks utterly horrendous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menace Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Such an over rated manager. I hope they go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Oliver Holt tweeting today that Short hasn't backed MON properly. See, that is really MON all over, in that he is given 25m to spend (and, let's be honest, unless you're a CL side, that's a decent wad), and opts to buy just the two players, and they're both predictable UK buys, and both massively overpriced. Their run of fixtures up next looks utterly horrendous. More like the media all over, completely ignoring the facts in order to back their favourites. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Oliver Holt tweeting today that Short hasn't backed MON properly. See, that is really MON all over, in that he is given 25m to spend (and, let's be honest, unless you're a CL side, that's a decent wad), and opts to buy just the two players, and they're both predictable UK buys, and both massively overpriced. Their run of fixtures up next looks utterly horrendous. More like the media all over, completely ignoring the facts in order to back their favourites. Holt is the absolute worst of the MON lovers in the media. I see a lot of them are starting to turn now. These are the same cunts who called us all sorts for, errr, being shat on by O'Neill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 At least he's honest: http://i.imgur.com/fKIxt.png I'd be interested in your thoughts on him claiming O'Neill left Villa in a better position than when he joined btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Icke - Son of God Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 My reaction whenever I see Brummie has commented on this thread: http://cdn.head-fi.org/4/42/4290616d_HappyBirthdayBlackKid.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 Apparently Rose can be bought next month with Liverpool and qpr sniffing and spuds willing to sell. Best player by a mile according to them effectively walking away for nowt. We should be in for him. Send them over the edge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 At least he's honest: http://i.imgur.com/fKIxt.png I'd be interested in your thoughts on him claiming O'Neill left Villa in a better position than when he joined btw. It really depends how you view it. When he came, Ellis still owned the club, we were utterly, utterly skint, and heading for relegation sooner or later, but we were also days away from being bought by a US billionaire, so, in that sense, he had a lot of help, and i think anyone would have struggled not to leave us in a better place. I am not going to rewrite history and pretend finishing 6th three times wasn't nice. It was. The flip side is that MON arrived in 2006, 14 years since the start of the PL. In those 14 years, we'd finished top six in 6 of the years. David O'Leary got us a sixth placed finish, with way less money. Brian Little had us 4th and 5th. Ron Atkinson has us 2nd. Sixth place wasn't special to us, it was good, but not stratospheric, so it was nothing like the sort of achievement it would be, say, to finish sixth with Sunderland, who have been a yo-yo club for most of those years. The problem with MON is that it was all achieved at such a high cost, and on such a short term basis, and with such a limitation to how far it could be stretched. The fact we reached Wembley twice, a CCF and a FAC semi, looks good on paper, and I had two magnificent days out, but the most telling fact of that is that over 180 minutes of football, I think we had at most four shots on goal. We'd peaked, we were never going to get better. re the short term basis, he spent a lot of money. You could say it wasn't "that much" in the wider picture, but that misses the point that so much of what he spent was spent badly. Yes, we did well from Milner, Young and Downing, who he signed, but we also did abysmally on other fronts, like the purchase of two entire defences in successive seasons, 50m on defenders. It was all so scattergun, but he spent enough that it worked. The problem was that, he left us with all those players still on big money deals, and still with years on their contracts. You have to wonder, who would think Emile Heskey on 65k a week on a 3.5 year deal when he's almost 32 is a good idea. Or Beye on 40k a week for three years, aged 32. I think the best way to look at the MON years is to think of it like renting a really opulent house for a few years, spending a fortune, having a bit of luxury, and enjoying yourself. When you move out, you've got nothing left, it was expensive and fun at the time, but it was the building block for nothing. What you should have done was buy a house and give yourself a platform for the future. That was what MON left us with - a massive bill, a lopsided squad replete with players who weren't good enough, but were on big wages. He left because he wouldn't do what managers have to do - wheel and deal, manage their squad. Was that a better place than when he came? well, yes, but look at the state of us before he came. The biggest impact on how we improved over that time was not MON, it was Randy Lerner pumping enormous sums into the club. I look at clubs we competed with over that period, like Tottenham and Everton, and I think how cannily they were / are run, and it reflects terribly on MON's legacy. Spurs spend money, they sell their best players, but they have an overview of what they are trying to do, and they make sure there is some ongoing value to the money they spend. There was none of this in the way MON managed my club, none. The ultimate example of this is that, after four years of spending Champions League transfer money, paying Champions League wages, we now have a squad that looks more Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 All lovely an all but i'm just enjoying the mess the dopey leprechaun is getting himself and them into. Sod the past, loving the now to be honest. A 4-4-2 dinosaur dying on his arse........lovely to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tiresias Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 I honestly thought he'd have a good few years at sunderland before the bubble burst, when in reality he had a good month or two and since been terrible Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 8, 2012 Share Posted December 8, 2012 ..this will take time to change...o'neills players are the only ones performing......aj over last few...if he buys quality replacements at 3 per window then its the season after next where we will be where we all want Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=747269#ixzz2EUkuO2dN hahahahahaha!!!!!11111one ha :lol: :lol: fking hell, always next season has progressed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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