Guest Tyson Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Also mate, the FA gave Stuart Pearce a job coaching the youngsters of the country. A guy who is publicly proud to say he'd rather play direct, long ball football than a passing, possession game. Until changes are made at all levels of international football for England, the way teams like Stoke play is irrelevant. English football (from the u19 to senior team), on the international front, has suffered from an identity crisis for ages now. Platt (who once oversaw the coaching of the kids) brought his continental resume to the table, and the technical base of coaching of followed suit. His preference for technical football was in contrast to the mish-mash of ideas put on display by the senior team's management. You're right there needs to be consistency, in the coaching approach, throughout the age levels. But you're also undervaluing the clubs' input. Aside from the youth tourneys, friendlies & periodic training camps it's the clubs' managers who are collectively laying down the groundwork, during the transition phase of making the grade from the u19/u21 age brackets to training with & playing against 1st team professionals. For better or worse and for nearly 40 weeks of the year the Allardyces & Pulis' (the anti-football specialists) are in charge of moulding the kids' respective skillsets, and Big Sam was noted in my original argument so don't pidgeonhole it as purely a Stoke vs The Rest of the World thing. To put my argument into greater context, i'll put forward the following question. As the immediate beneficiary of Tony Carr's excellent work (as a talent spotter, and yth coach) do you trust Allardyce in his new found position of being the nurturer (of raw talent, within the age bracket or development just mentioned) at a club which has a catchement area rich in potential to draw from? No need to run through the lengthy list but this is a catchment area that has effectively been a production line for the big clubs, and the England team, after the Hammers had intially moulded them into near-finished articles. Fat Sam & Carr, as a clashing set of football philosophies, is the greatest collaborative mismatch in English club football atm. If you answer yes to the above question then you're overlooking a major crux of the big-picture argument. In the case of Stoke (given they're armed with some cash now courtesy of a surprise Europa run, and 4 years of EPL generated revenues - and they're capable of offering competive wage packages to the U21 kids) heaven forbid if Pulis acquires a few Klynes in the near future, or athletically gifted kids who actually have ball-playing ability. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 We're far more of an attacking threat now compared to when we went down there with a perfectly executed game plan. I hope we got back to 4-3-3 and player our natural game and let Stoke worry about us. Not the other way round. Same here, 4-3-3 and the points should be ours. A point alluded to & overlooked (in reply to James' point) in that apparently controversial original post of mine ie. Pardew not compromising the structure of the current & very threatening attack formation, in a bid to out-stoke Stoke again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Stoke Crouch flukes a screamer and all of a sudden they think they are a brilliant side. tools the lot of em Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Loven11 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I had a dream that they were beating us 4-1 but we came back to win 5-4. Anyway, I reckon we'll win 2-0. Ba & Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Will be a tough game I think, however cisse and ba will score 2-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 4-1 Ben Arfa 2, Ba and Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tyson Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 yes i will agree that our football is s*** to watch but it gets results and thats whats most important.we havent had the gift of being in the prem aslong as you and this is only our 4th season once we become an established prem club then we can begin to improve. remember that 4-0 smashing you got at our place ? shame our s*** style of play is w*** says alot about your style ? your having a good season yes but yout bubble will burst soon !and you will come crashing back down to earth Why do you have to be an established premier league team to play decent football? Swansea are playing their football on the ground and will stay up, Norwich are playing some decent stuff as well. At the end of the day Pulis chose to play this kind of football and the majority of your fans have accepted it (cheering a throw in for f***s sake). I'd have thought Stoke fans would have got used to the comments on their style of play, but obviously not if you have to register onto another teams forum to moan about it. Man up, take part in the discussion or f*** off. Re: the cheering of earned throw-ins. I'm sure most neutral observers would've rip the piss out of that, in some form. Due to the audio technology during a live telecast (where a localised chant/jeering can be made out be to be more prominent that what it actually is) i've avoided tarnishing the lot of them with a wide-sweeping brush. But some of them have truly been brainwashed over time, and are true believers of Reverend Pulis' maverick way . It's in the name of banter but there's a more serious edge as well, but some of them at least, are the football supporters' equivalent of the dedicated populace (ie. Lemmings) that once graced the wild setting that was Jonestown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 yes i will agree that our football is s*** to watch but it gets results and thats whats most important.we havent had the gift of being in the prem aslong as you and this is only our 4th season once we become an established prem club then we can begin to improve. remember that 4-0 smashing you got at our place ? shame our s*** style of play is w*** says alot about your style ? your having a good season yes but yout bubble will burst soon !and you will come crashing back down to earth Why do you have to be an established premier league team to play decent football? Swansea are playing their football on the ground and will stay up, Norwich are playing some decent stuff as well. At the end of the day Pulis chose to play this kind of football and the majority of your fans have accepted it (cheering a throw in for f***s sake). I'd have thought Stoke fans would have got used to the comments on their style of play, but obviously not if you have to register onto another teams forum to moan about it. Man up, take part in the discussion or f*** off. Re: the cheering of earned throw-ins. I'm sure most neutral observers would've rip the piss out of that, in some form. Due to the audio technology during a live telecast (where a localised chant/jeering can be made out be to be more prominent that what it actually is) i've avoided tarnishing the lot of them with a wide-sweeping brush. But some of them have truly been brainwashed over time, and are true believers of Reverend Pulis' maverick way . It's in the name of banter but there's a more serious edge as well, but some of them at least, are the football supporters' equivalent of the dedicated populace (ie. Lemmings) that once graced the wild setting that was Jonestown. As I've said previously I couldn't watch it week in week out, but it's actually quite exciting watching Delap bomb a throw into a penalty area populated by the other 20 players on the pitch. Particularly when it's not your own team defending it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
broony Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Important that the crowd are up for this and really ram some hate down the throats of Stoke, just like the Liverpool game. This could be the start of a five game run that will change things significantly for the club. Get at them early on and get this game won. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Important that the crowd are up for this and really ram some hate down the throats of Stoke, just like the Liverpool game. This could be the start of a five game run that will change things significantly for the club. Get at them early on and get this game won. No doubt already mentioned but its a sell out which is good to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Important that the crowd are up for this and really ram some hate down the throats of Stoke, just like the Liverpool game. This could be the start of a five game run that will change things significantly for the club. Get at them early on and get this game won. No doubt already mentioned but its a sell out which is good to see. A further 300 tickets have just been put on sale up in L7. Stoke must have sent them back to us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Important that the crowd are up for this and really ram some hate down the throats of Stoke, just like the Liverpool game. This could be the start of a five game run that will change things significantly for the club. Get at them early on and get this game won. No doubt already mentioned but its a sell out which is good to see. A further 300 tickets have just been put on sale up in L7. Stoke must have sent them back to us. Aye just seen that on .com. Another small club who cant be bothered to fill an away end.....L7 would be classed as front row for the way they play football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/7682755/Shawcross-ready-for-Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/7682755/Shawcross-ready-for-Cisse He looks like a pig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 He'll be sent off in 20 mins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Really looking forward to this one. Think the break was just what we needed. Think it will be tight. 2-0 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11678/7682755/Shawcross-ready-for-Cisse He looks like a pig. Really? i always thought he looked like this...... http://image.gamespotcdn.net/gamespot/images/2010/special-features/atggv_2010/characters/general_raam/311x264/generalraam_311x264.jpg For comparison purposes...... http://footballmanagerstory.com/scout/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Ryan-Shawcross-17_12973681.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 General RAAM is better looking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 He looks like he's been pebble dashed then had it scrubbed off with a wire brush. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Offshore Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Would an excellent job alongside Colo...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I want to beat this badly, not because i dislike Stoke or even their style of play, which is pretty awful to watch. I just hate seeing Pulis screaming and swearing and going totally mental at everything, especially when he thinks they are hard done to, despite their blatant cheating at corners. He is makes MON look like a corpse on the sidelines with his antics, actually dont mind him in the interviews afterwards, its just while the game is on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 You can guarantee that Stoke will happily sacrifice an early booking to whack Cisse in the first five minutes. In fact, Pulis will almost certainly order it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 You can guarantee that Stoke will happily sacrifice an early booking to whack Cisse in the first five minutes. In fact, Pulis will almost certainly order it. Ben Arfa too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Nobody has been able to stop them so far, I don't think Stoke are superhuman in fouling people. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 To be fair Shawcross comes accross reasonably there, for such a thug I more expect just grunts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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