Dokko Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Too many people are concerned far too much about a fullbacks ability to attack or support when really one on each side who can defend would be far more effective to the team overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 We've seen Santon on the right and he cuts in just as much and is less effective at it. Yep. I just don't think he's confident in his crossing and his natural instinct is to cut in and either shoot or lay it off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Too many people are concerned far too much about a fullbacks ability to attack or support when really one on each side who can defend would be far more effective to the team overall. Agree with that. I'm desperate for Santon to succeed though, think he's a beautiful footballer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 A good coach would have him stopping behind after training working on his left/crossing everyday. Potential is all there but he's stagnating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Too many people are concerned far too much about a fullbacks ability to attack or support when really one on each side who can defend would be far more effective to the team overall. I've been banging on about this for ages, give me a solid defender above all first then look at how he attacks second. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Too many people are concerned far too much about a fullbacks ability to attack or support when really one on each side who can defend would be far more effective to the team overall. I've been banging on about this for ages, give me a solid defender above all first then look at how he attacks second. Unless he's Baines/Alves esque going forward definitely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Lovely goal for France. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kanj Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Nice hit...f***er was inside the box again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 "It's true that I feel good. I had to get settled after my transfer to England. It's never easy. These two internationals have done me good. Before that, I was on the bench. Now, I feel that I'm at my best." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Go on Boosh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Too many people are concerned far too much about a fullbacks ability to attack or support when really one on each side who can defend would be far more effective to the team overall. I've been banging on about this for ages, give me a solid defender above all first then look at how he attacks second. Unless he's Baines/Alves esque going forward definitely. I basically agree, but at the same time I enjoy a gung-ho fullback too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakie Doke Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 More faith in him coming good for us than Santon, he is used to the league and seems to be making no progress at all. Word fail me. Did you send an error report? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 More faith in him coming good for us than Santon, he is used to the league and seems to be making no progress at all. Word fail me. Did you send an error report? Don't think that's too extreme an opinion by Skirge there, personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 17, 2013 Share Posted October 17, 2013 Debuchy's also much further on in his development already. They'll both be absolutely fine for us, as much as anyone can be highly rated when we're finishing mid table. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I will say, for all of his defensive problems - there are things he does, attacking wise that only a handful of players in the league can do. He's actually really good at sneaking up and beating an offside trap to get free to create a chance on goal for himself. When/IF our 2 CB's are playing better or we have a better more stable partnership, Debuchy will finally be able to show his true abilities. I notice every time he puts in a good shift for France, the 2 CB's are in fine form and are sweeping up for Debuchy and Evra who are really high up the pitch. That may NEVER work for us, but I just find it worth noting -- when France did lose the ball their CB's or CM's were marking very well and Debuchy would race back and get back into position. Again, not sure he'll ever show his true worth for us when we have such an unstable CB partnership. I will counter that and say the manager should recognize how exposed we get with Debuchy acting like a RM sometimes and basically tell him he's only allowed to venture forward in certain circumstances and if Davide is pushed up on the other side, he'll have to hold his position and play defensively. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I will say, for all of his defensive problems - there are things he does, attacking wise that only a handful of players in the league can do. He's actually really good at sneaking up and beating an offside trap to get free to create a chance on goal for himself. When/IF our 2 CB's are playing better or we have a better more stable partnership, Debuchy will finally be able to show his true abilities. I notice every time he puts in a good shift for France, the 2 CB's are in fine form and are sweeping up for Debuchy and Evra who are really high up the pitch. That may NEVER work for us, but I just find it worth noting -- when France did lose the ball their CB's or CM's were marking very well and Debuchy would race back and get back into position. Again, not sure he'll ever show his true worth for us when we have such an unstable CB partnership. I will counter that and say the manager should recognize how exposed we get with Debuchy acting like a RM sometimes and basically tell him he's only allowed to venture forward in certain circumstances and if Davide is pushed up on the other side, he'll have to hold his position and play defensively. I think it's one of those things where you need good clear instructions from your manager exactly what your role is and how the back four are expected to perform in tandem. With France Debuchy is obviously a lot happier in how the team sets up and plays, with us everything is a lot more disjointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 France are as good as the Ukraine on current showing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I will say, for all of his defensive problems - there are things he does, attacking wise that only a handful of players in the league can do. He's actually really good at sneaking up and beating an offside trap to get free to create a chance on goal for himself. When/IF our 2 CB's are playing better or we have a better more stable partnership, Debuchy will finally be able to show his true abilities. I notice every time he puts in a good shift for France, the 2 CB's are in fine form and are sweeping up for Debuchy and Evra who are really high up the pitch. That may NEVER work for us, but I just find it worth noting -- when France did lose the ball their CB's or CM's were marking very well and Debuchy would race back and get back into position. Again, not sure he'll ever show his true worth for us when we have such an unstable CB partnership. I will counter that and say the manager should recognize how exposed we get with Debuchy acting like a RM sometimes and basically tell him he's only allowed to venture forward in certain circumstances and if Davide is pushed up on the other side, he'll have to hold his position and play defensively. Our massive problem with this is that we never have a proper holding player, one who drops in between the two CB's to make a three, allowing better cover if our attack breaks down. Our midfield just leave them to it. For me this is tactical thing that Pardew has failed to address for a long time. If you want your FB's to push high up then you to have a holding player who stays there, we simply dont, and get caught over and over again because of it. As you say making Debuchy and Santon look worse. Mind you they have been guilty of very poor play too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Too many times our "holding" player has 0 positional discipline to sit -- that's his role, to sit, but too busy roaming around are too far forward. Anita and Tiote, if played, need to be camped out on top of the middle circle, if we lose ball, try to close down, if not hold position and support the CBs...frustrating how poorly the defense is being instructed. I think our backs look worse b/c of our inability to have a strong defensive spine, at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Fantastic today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amir_9 Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Man of the match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 best game for us, more of the same and I may retract my opinion on him being a clown Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Best full back performance I can remember seeing for us for a good while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 No complaints if he plays like that. Very good today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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