Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Such a step up on Simpson, and when he plays you can really see why so many people were screaming for improvement in our right back slot, simply a class above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bhoywhonder Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 strange that he can go from so s*** to so good. I imagine that was him taking a while to get used to the pace etc of the english game....when its all said and done, for the sake of a dozen shaky games, we now have Mathieu F*cking Debuchy in our first eleven. For that we should be grateful! MOTM today for me, class player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I understand taking time but he was so bad first few games this season. Wasn't case of slowly getting better, seems to have shaped up quick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Braveheart/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 He's playing like the player I believed we were signing a year ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I think it would be a bit of a culture shock for him coming into a league which is so fast paced, and one where defensive duties should come first. He has learned when to stay back and when to push forward, and it clearly has helped sissoko playing out of position to have somebody overlapping, giving him an extra option. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I think it would be a bit of a culture shock for him coming into a league which is so fast paced, and one where defensive duties should come first. He has learned when to stay back and when to push forward, and it clearly has helped sissoko playing out of position to have somebody overlapping, giving him an extra option. looking back it seems like we struck lucky with cabaye appearing to hit the ground running but we expected the same from gouffran, debuchy, sissoko and yanga m'biwa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 'Getting used to the league' can cover many things but it doesn't excuse the almost laughable lack of recovery pace he showed in some matches, or some of the diabolical decision-making that resulted in penalties and red cards. Some of it was schoolboy stuff. He's in great form now - happy days - but it doesn't change my opinion of how he played previously. As Tiresias says above, he's clearly bucked his ideas up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 get yopu point but if you come in to a much higher paced, more powerful league, teams not doing well, confidence dips, you have less energy etc. using the colo example I don't think he'd have been nearly as bad in his first season (Oh yes he was Ron!) if he hadn't been surrounded by chaos and lack of confidence all round him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 He also came into a team with absolutely no confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Shortly after he joined we won four in six; a run that ultimately kept us up. And what was the excuse against Man City first game of this season? I'm not going to continue this because it's going nowhere, I just think it's a little unfair for so many people to be calling out those of us that thought he put in some rubbish showings in our shirt. Obviously it's stupid to write players off completely (and I can't remenber doing that myself) but him playing well now doesn't change how he played before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 'Getting used to the league' can cover many things but it doesn't excuse the almost laughable lack of recovery pace he showed in some matches, or some of the diabolical decision-making that resulted in penalties and red cards. Some of it was schoolboy stuff. He's in great form now - happy days - but it doesn't change my opinion of how he played previously. As Tiresias says above, he's clearly bucked his ideas up. It actually does.... because he came from France were the pace was a lot slower he could get himself back into position. He thought he could get away with it here but he can't so he's adapted his game, hardly ever see himself allow players to get in behind him anymore his positional sense is a lot better. He's had to adapt his game a bit to adapt to the league and as you say its all happy days now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 There was nothing wrong with saying he was playing badly, but there were some saying he wasn't going to make it, should have kept Simpson, etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Shortly after he joined we won four in six; a run that ultimately kept us up. And what was the excuse against Man City first game of this season? I'm not going to continue this because it's going nowhere, I just think it's a little unfair for so many people to be calling out those of us that thought he put in some rubbish showings in our shirt. Obviously it's stupid to write players off completely (and I can't remenber doing that myself) but him playing well now doesn't change how he played before. he did play rubbish, doesn't mean he is rubbish and players coming into poorly performing teams from "lesser" leagues have to be given time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 'Getting used to the league' can cover many things but it doesn't excuse the almost laughable lack of recovery pace he showed in some matches, or some of the diabolical decision-making that resulted in penalties and red cards. Some of it was schoolboy stuff. He's in great form now - happy days - but it doesn't change my opinion of how he played previously. As Tiresias says above, he's clearly bucked his ideas up. It actually does.... because he came from France were the pace was a lot slower he could get himself back into position. He thought he could get away with it here but he can't so he's adapted his game, hardly ever see himself allow players to get in behind him anymore his positional sense is a lot better. He's had to adapt his game a bit to adapt to the league and as you say its all happy days now. There are a lot of factors that go into this. It's not only him who has adapted his game. Pardew looks to have also adapted to Debuchy's playing style. Sissoko now covers for his marauding runs, and quite often slots into RB while Debuchy catches his breath and jogs back into position. Clearly instructions coming from the manager and coaches during training and match preparation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 There's that as well, a settled back 4 for once is probably a contributing factor as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 There's that as well, a settled back 4 for once is probably a contributing factor as well. Yup. I think there's more to his crap performances when he first joined than just him being shit at the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belfast Mags Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 He's playing like the player I believed we were signing a year ago. Fantastic performance today, both going forward and defensively, really has bucked his ideas up massively. He's unrecognisable now compared to the player that arrived. Delighted for him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I doubted him and I don't mind saying that, he started off shit including at the beginning of this season. Don't think I wrote him off but I just said what I genuinely thought. Glad he's now performing like the player we expected him to be. Agree. I don't think anyone could have watched those performances last season and thought he was going to turn out well. Can we not change our minds these days or does one opinion have to last forever?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Probably the best right back in the league at the moment - he's playing like an absolute boss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ally Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Does he have much competition at right back for France by the way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Sagna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Sagna can go from awful to good and back again all in the same game. Debuchy on form is a class above. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I doubted him and I don't mind saying that, he started off s*** including at the beginning of this season. Don't think I wrote him off but I just said what I genuinely thought. Glad he's now performing like the player we expected him to be. Agree. I don't think anyone could have watched those performances last season and thought he was going to turn out well. Can we not change our minds these days or does one opinion have to last forever?! We have clear evidence from recent history where defenders have had trouble adapting to the league. He was poor and it was frustrating but I never thought he couldn't turn it around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Probably just got used to the league. This - he has class and now he is finding his feet in the PL it is showing through. Had a great game today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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