AlanSkÃrare Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 “I think it’s been a year where Vurnon’s had to adapt in a team that’s not done well and wasn’t playing its best football. “He’s suffered because of the injuries we’ve had as much as everybody else." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I'd be mortified if we sold Anita before Tiote or YoCabs, I really thin he's got a lot to offer. It was so refreshing on Sunday seeing somebody running around looking for the ball and looking to move it forwards with actual purpose, rather than a shit hoof to Shola Cisse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Anita Sissoko Cabaye Just once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 “I think it’s been a year where Vurnon’s had to adapt in a team that’s not done well and wasn’t playing its best football." We might have played better football if... Fuck it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 “I think it’s been a year where Vurnon’s had to adapt in a team that’s not done well and wasn’t playing its best football." We might have played better football if... f*** it. I know that pardspheel man. Come close to posting several times in the past couple of days, only to just think "fuck it" to myself. There's just so much bullshit, so much that is wrong with every word that knacker says it's enough to drive you mental. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 If I could be arsed I could probably cut out an excuse in every interview he's done for us so far. "Injuries, europa League, tired, need more tackles on the pitch, injuries, tired, not enough punch, europa league, injuries, the fans, the press, injuries............." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 For a CM, he has do offer more than just moving the ball around quickly though. For his position it's what he's doing without it that is so essntial. And what he's offering to win it back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 For a CM, he has do offer more than just moving the ball around quickly though. For his position it's what he's doing without it that is so essntial. And what he's offering to win it back. Wouldn't that depend on the midfield in general as well though? Does everyone have to be a ball-winner? I agree what he does off the ball is very important as well mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 “I think it’s been a year where Vurnon’s had to adapt in a team that’s not done well and wasn’t playing its best football." We might have played better football if... f*** it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 For a CM, he has do offer more than just moving the ball around quickly though. For his position it's what he's doing without it that is so essntial. And what he's offering to win it back. Wouldn't that depend on the midfield in general as well though? Does everyone have to be a ball-winner? I agree what he does off the ball is very important as well mind. I guess though, if Anita is the deepest lying player he's GOT to be good at this. Or good at intercepting. Or his positioning is such that he forces the opposition to make decisions they don't really want to. Tbh, i haven't much/any of that from him so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 He's very good at quickly closing down players but he does lack a good tackle, what he generally does is force them to make a sideways or backward pass by cleverly cutting down the angles. In comparison to Tiote he lacks the vision and timing to make the tackles and turn their possession into ours. his main failing for me tbh, his passing is light years ahead of tiotes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 He's very good at quickly closing down players but he does lack a good tackle, what he generally does is force them to make a sideways or backward pass by cleverly cutting down the angles. In comparison to Tiote he lacks the vision and timing to make the tackles and turn their possession into ours. his main failing for me tbh, his passing is light years ahead of tiotes... Well, tbh, i haven't seen much of that (the closing down) but that maybe more me than him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 He's very good at quickly closing down players but he does lack a good tackle, what he generally does is force them to make a sideways or backward pass by cleverly cutting down the angles. In comparison to Tiote he lacks the vision and timing to make the tackles and turn their possession into ours. his main failing for me tbh, his passing is light years ahead of tiotes... I think we are a bit pre-conditioned by the fact that our other two midfielders (tiote/Cabs) dive in a lot and aren't "afraid" to put their foot in. Anita doesn't do that, he does the bent knee, body low, bouncing back and forth shuffle to try and push the player backwards, timing issue I think or just doesn't know how to tackle? Well, tbh, i haven't seen much of that (the closing down) but that maybe more me than him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 I am useless at the quote button...ffs! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Anita Sissoko Cabaye Just once. Not a bad idea at all. When he's been paired with Tiote or Bigi or Perch, it's looked like he's struggled to find a role. In your formation, he'd have one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 For a CM, he has do offer more than just moving the ball around quickly though. For his position it's what he's doing without it that is so essntial. And what he's offering to win it back. Wouldn't that depend on the midfield in general as well though? Does everyone have to be a ball-winner? I agree what he does off the ball is very important as well mind. I guess though, if Anita is the deepest lying player he's GOT to be good at this. Or good at intercepting. Or his positioning is such that he forces the opposition to make decisions they don't really want to. Tbh, i haven't much/any of that from him so far. I agree. An approach like Carrick uses would suit him, and he has much more pace. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 If you have this lad in the team, then the ball needs to go through him and Cabaye, not over them. While it did go through the midfield more against Arsenal. Signing a Carroll type, which seems to be Pardew wish. We will only go more direct. Signing a Carroll type doesn't have to mean we will go more direct, of course it doesn't. Pardew is the manager though, so that's exactly what will happen imo, therefore not helping Anita at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 You don't need a "tackler". Do Bayern have a "tackler"? No, they have three competent, very athletic ball carriers who can all pass with metronomic accuracy. They then teach them how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back. If we had a decent coach, or any coach, they could just teach Vurnon how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back and play it. The British obsession with having a holding midfielder/destroyer is another thing holding our game back. Midfielders are the links and the engine in a football team, they all need to be comply comfortable in possession, accurate in passing and adept at finding space first and foremost. Then you teach them how to tackle. Of course, this being Pardew's team, the priorities are ability to tackle, hoof towards a vague space in front (preferably where opposition team member is standing) and then stand on defence's toes as time goes on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 All he needs to do is learn the deepest midfielder positioning for this team and use his pace and intelligence to read the game and either be in the right place first, or work on his timing of nicking the ball. I'm thinking with time, he'll learn that and be a top player (hopefully here). The young kid was schooled at Ajax man, his training was far superior before he came here to work under the excuse-man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 You don't need a "tackler". Do Bayern have a "tackler"? No, they have three competent, very athletic ball carriers who can all pass with metronomic accuracy. They then teach them how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back. If we had a decent coach, or any coach, they could just teach Vurnon how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back and play it. The British obsession with having a holding midfielder/destroyer is another thing holding our game back. Midfielders are the links and the engine in a football team, they all need to be comply comfortable in possession, accurate in passing and adept at finding space first and foremost. Then you teach them how to tackle. Of course, this being Pardew's team, the priorities are ability to tackle, hoof towards a vague space in front (preferably where opposition team member is standing) and then stand on defence's toes as time goes on. Every player will bring their own package of strengths and weaknesses, but I'd agree that the idea of the specialist ball-winner who can't pass is looking increasingly out of date at Premiership level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 You don't need a "tackler". Do Bayern have a "tackler"? No, they have three competent, very athletic ball carriers who can all pass with metronomic accuracy. They then teach them how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back. If we had a decent coach, or any coach, they could just teach Vurnon how to tackle sufficiently to win the ball back and play it. The British obsession with having a holding midfielder/destroyer is another thing holding our game back. Midfielders are the links and the engine in a football team, they all need to be comply comfortable in possession, accurate in passing and adept at finding space first and foremost. Then you teach them how to tackle. Of course, this being Pardew's team, the priorities are ability to tackle, hoof towards a vague space in front (preferably where opposition team member is standing) and then stand on defence's toes as time goes on. By the time a player reaches his age, shouldn't he be able to that already? It isn't kind of like too late to teach him that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Players shouldn't even need to tackle if the team presses effectively as one unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Anita Sissoko Cabaye Just once. HBA Remy Cisse Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Players shouldn't even need to tackle if the team presses effectively as one unit. Very true, and as has been said before: Anita's technique and movement would most likely buy us time, we panic in possession in our own half so fucking much, mainly because we play static and slow players in a formation completley lacking the necessary dynamics. Anita would "make us tick" (cliché, I know) with moving players around him. There's also an overwhelming chance of less hoofing from the back four if we play him. Seems to move into spaces where he can receive the ball all the time, always an option even for those lacking any passing ability of note. Insted of Cabaye standing next to Williamson, waiting to lunge it forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted May 22, 2013 Share Posted May 22, 2013 Players shouldn't even need to tackle if the team presses effectively as one unit. Come on, Wullie. Bit of realism here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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