ponsaelius Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I've never seen somebody so unable to strike a ball cleanly or get involved in the game positively. I remember him play OK away at Hull when they were beyond shite but that's about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Eredivisie is a league full of young promising players still developing. Naive defending coupled with an inclination towards attacking football breads goalscoring forwards. It's actually been great at producing strikers over the years (Suarez, van Nistelrooy, Romario, Ronaldo, Bergkamp, RvP, Makaay, Ibrahimovic, Huntelaar, Bony etc) but its also inflated the records of some average players (Ruiz, Altidore, Kezman, El Hamdoui, Bas Dost, Nkufo, Vennegoor of Hesselink etc). Even Michael Higdon scored 14 there last season. It's hit and miss, but de Jong scoring some goals again now he's back really doesn't prove much. He was poor in Germany and here. Languid, slow running style, and no aggression to his play for such a big striker. You need ridiculous technique (Berbatov) or be a first rate poacher (Gomez) to make up for those deficiencies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Vennegoor of Hesselink, hell forgot about him. What a name. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Vennegoor of Hesselink, hell forgot about him. What a name. Yep, what a total wet arse he was. His surname is Venegoor, but when he got married he took on his wife's name (Hesselink) too, the total soft cock. What bloke with a pair of stones would do that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Vennegoor of Hesselink, hell forgot about him. What a name. Yep, what a total wet arse he was. His surname is Venegoor, but when he got married he took on his wife's name (Hesselink) too, the total soft cock. What bloke with a pair of stones would do that? Happens all the time in Japan - husband takes wife's surname to keep hers going providing he has a brother. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRD Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Vennegoor of Hesselink, hell forgot about him. What a name. Yep, what a total wet arse he was. His surname is Venegoor, but when he got married he took on his wife's name (Hesselink) too, the total soft cock. What bloke with a pair of stones would do that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Vennegoor_of_Hesselink#Name Harsh to blame him for what happened in the 17th century. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Vennegoor of Hesselink, hell forgot about him. What a name. Yep, what a total wet arse he was. His surname is Venegoor, but when he got married he took on his wife's name (Hesselink) too, the total soft cock. What bloke with a pair of stones would do that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Vennegoor_of_Hesselink#Name Harsh to blame him for what happened in the 17th century. Not at all, it's all his fault. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leek Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Its a weird league to judge players off when the likes of Michael Higdon and Jozy Altidore can smash it up I suppose most strikers have half a chance of looking decent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
magpie1892 Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 Its a weird league to judge players off when the likes of Michael Higdon and Jozy Altidore can smash it up I suppose most strikers have half a chance of looking decent. I saw Luuk de Jong play several times for FC Twente and each time he looked fantastic; mobile, aggressive, two-footed, prolific - I was sure he was headed for the top. But it's very tricky to figure out a player's real level in the Eredivisie, for reasons noted here. Interestingly, Vurnon Anita always looked class at Ajax and I believe he still is, but Pardew hasn't a clue what to do with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 It's not just a question of level, but also of type of football, culture, manager at new club, tactics and many more. Also, some players just decline more quickly than others, or never reach their potential. There are no gurantees in any transfer, not even in transfers amongst Premier League clubs. The Eredivisie's record for bringing along top class forwards is second to none imo, but not every transfer can work out, just like not every wonderkid can work out. Football isn't that simple. As for De Jong, he was never potentially top class, but I did expect him to be good enough for our current level. Sadly, he was not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisdom Body Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 I've never seen somebody so unable to strike a ball cleanly or get involved in the game positively. I remember him play OK away at Hull when they were beyond s**** but that's about it. This is what seemed odd to me as well, for a Dutch forward. They generally have very good shooting technique, which is why they produce so many good goal-scorers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted December 16, 2014 Share Posted December 16, 2014 What's weird about De Jong's ball striking ability was that I remember watching him in an away match last season (can't remember which one) and in the warm up he was hitting the ball really cleanly and pretty much scoring every time with real striker's finishes. I know a game situation is different, but I was amazed at the way he kept snatching at his shots or hitting them with such little power in the actual match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Just scored a hattrick for PSV v Feyenoord. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Just scored a hattrick for PSV v Feyenoord. Still think he is better than Riviere. Not saying much mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Gouffran would look good in the Eredivisie to be fair. Though agreed he looked better than Divs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 17, 2014 Share Posted December 17, 2014 Can't see Riviere scoring a hattrick at any level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Maybe back on our radar apparently: http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/newcastle-united-going-dutch-assemble-8590542 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Is this cunt not fit yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Is this cunt not fit yet? Alright Skirge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Ha. Sincerely hope we go nowhere near him ever again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Bit harsh. He's a bit slow but he means well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Not here to black kid / Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Bit harsh. He's a bit slow but he means well. He's done well since he went back to Holland though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Bit harsh. He's a bit slow but he means well. He's done well since he went back to Holland though. Was he not making a joke about Skirge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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