Mick Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Only if we were in serious danger of relegation. Fair enough, you have more patience than I have, or at least more than I think I have. Anyway, the best thing that can happen is that we start winning some games and playing some decent football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There's no doubt about it, he needs a win and a performance ASAP. Not a Norwich or WBA where we either are begging for the whistle or dealt outrageous good fortune but a deserved win with a few good chances carved out and ideally more than a one goal winning margin. Failure to win on Saturday and it won't be pretty either on here or at SJP. Someone else mentioned it yesterday but every season we get very winnable home fixtures at this time of year often on consecutive weeks and always seem to mess them up. Baffling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Mick would've got rid of Moyes then I guess. I blatantly would have too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I think there was only the WBA game at home last year that we lost and can say it was an unexpected defeat (the others being the very unfortunate Chelsea game and the City game). We can allow him the West Ham game as a one-off, but if we lose in that fashion again (not just 'if we lose', note) then serious questions want asking of Pards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 If we won the league and it went to a play off system, even if we'd won by like 12 points, there is no fucking doubt we'd not even make the finals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 If we won the league and it went to a play off system, even if we'd won by like 12 points, there is no fucking doubt we'd not even make the finals. If you love Mike so much then why don't you marry him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There's no doubt about it, he needs a win and a performance ASAP. Not a Norwich or WBA where we either are begging for the whistle or dealt outrageous good fortune but a deserved win with a few good chances carved out and ideally more than a one goal winning margin. Failure to win on Saturday and it won't be pretty either on here or at SJP. Someone else mentioned it yesterday but every season we get very winnable home fixtures at this time of year often on consecutive weeks and always seem to mess them up. Baffling. I'd be more than happy to see us try to play football for 90 minutes and play to our strenghts, even if it's only a 1-0 win. I would then like to see us do it for a 2nd game in a row just to know that we were progressing. I'm not that bothered about seeing a goal fest even though I would be love to see one. I want to know that Pardew can learn from his mistakes instead of repeating them. Everybody makes mistakes, most people at least try to learn from them and I'm not seeing signs of that at the minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TherealnorthernTOON Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me, it's no longer about the results, I'm just tired of watching the dreadfull football. Almost at the point where, as long as we won't go down I don't care, if they just try to knock it around and use some imagination to get things going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me it's nailed on that he's got to go. I'm still a bit emotional from yesterday, which was awful, but I'm convinced that he's completely revealed his true colours now- bringing Shola on yesterday and persisting/encouraging the same 'tactic' said it all for me. People probably think I'm completely overreacting but this is just my opinion! We're not a newly promoted team compromising with average, technically inferior cloggers. It's inexcusable. And as for the 'I hope Pardew learns from this'...'I hope he realises this'...'We'll see if he learns from this, that'll be the true test' etc etc. Well, we find ourselves saying that an awful lot, and, unsurprisingly, he doesn't 'learn' from these things. Mainly because they are not 'mistakes', it is a mixture of a lack of class, cowardice and general incompetence. Not naivety. But for now, we can't sack him. No one respectable would fill the void, it's going to be the end of the season. But it will take an extreme decline for that to happen- balance the books, mid table; Ashley's rubbing his fat hands together. Not looking good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me it's nailed on that he's got to go. For me, it's nailed on that you're an absolute cretin for thinking that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Pardew's said that he brought Shola on as Cisse had a back problem. Who else was the option? It's not entirely Pardews fault that we've got three senior strikers, one of which has never consistently scored goals. People say we have a great squad, we don't. We have a handful of very good players and a lot of average- good ones and a sprinkling of dross. The likes of Shola and Williamson are barely PL standard yet week after week we have to rely on them due to the limitations of the squad and persistent penny pinching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 For me it's nailed on that he's got to go. For me, it's nailed on that you're an absolute cretin for thinking that. Glad you think that I cant see what benefit you see in him staying (beyond this season) is tbh. Do you watch our games? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 11 matches in. It's perfectly normal to be unhappy at how we've played and I'm concerned myself, but fuck me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Pardew's said that he brought Shola on as Cisse had a back problem. Who else was the option? It's not entirely Pardews fault that we've got three senior strikers, one of which has never consistently scored goals. People say we have a great squad, we don't. We have a handful of very good players and a lot of average- good ones and a sprinkling of dross. The likes of Shola and Williamson are barely PL standard yet week after week we have to rely on them due to the limitations of the squad and persistent penny pinching. Very true, I appreciate that. But it doesn't excuse the way we continued to launch it. Never been a big believe in the 'Hoof it to the big lad up top' myself, but obviously it gets you places! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Cool, everyone has different opinions. I for one don't fancy him seeing out that 8 year deal of his Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 When you have Shola on, the tactic is always going to be direct. He's simply not mobile enough to create space for himself and he's got sod all pace so giving him through balls is a non starter. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There is no way he will see out 8 years. I don't even think that's a discussion, it was more a statement than anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The eight years thing is meaningless, it'll be so riddled with clauses that favour the club that I consider it effectively an annual rolling contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I'm not an Ashley sympathiser but I remember someone posted all the potential legalities/costs of Ashley getting topped a while ago and it meant we could well be f***ed. I've never heard or seen this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The option to be direct is there when you have him on, yeah. Perhaps getting on the end of crosses in the box, getting on the end of well drilled set pieces, being constructive in that sense. Not have the ball bludgeoned up to him or hoofed over the top for him to chase- which we were doing. Use him to your advantage and I don't mind, but our 'gameplan' was/is just embarrassing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 There is no way he will see out 8 years. I don't even think that's a discussion, it was more a statement than anything. Aye, its obvious that he has clauses i.e finishing in a certain position, financial targets even. But I just cant see us making any progression as a club with him here beyond this season. He's out of his depth it's blatantly obvious. I think we should stick with him until the end of the season because mid-season sackings are ridiculous. But, the one thing I shall stick up for him in is that as long as Ashley's here no manager will have a proper, strong squad to compete with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This thread. Yup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 What an absolute bunch of fucking idiots in this thread, we finished 5th last season for fucks sake, we played badly but were missing tiote and collocini the spine of the team. Reminds me of a Rtg type Thread, thick fucking brain dead twats hiding behind a keyboard! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 What an absolute bunch of f***ing idiots in this thread, we finished 5th last season for f***s sake, we played badly but were missing tiote and collocini the spine of the team. Reminds me of a Rtg type Thread, thick f***ing brain dead twats hiding behind a keyboard! Is that some kind of admission? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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