Alan Pardew

[Disco]

I quite like some of the tactical stuff and it does explain some things but when everything is analysed to the Nth degree and people start using stats instead of their eyes it can be painfully shit.

[Guest BooBoo]

I quite like some of the tactical stuff and it does explain some things but when everything is analysed to the Nth degree and people start using stats instead of their eyes it can be painfully shit.

 

Same.

[Tooj]

I quite like some of the tactical stuff and it does explain some things but when everything is analysed to the Nth degree and people start using stats instead of their eyes it can be painfully shit.

 

[Parky]

Ah man it's like all that pretentious waffle on twitter by one of the lads that does ZM. Eg,

 

"Watching Cluj v Galatasary. Dull game but tactically fascinating"

 

Sharrap man, a shit match is a shit match.

 

 

Maybe it's because I'm more into football because of the drinking and swearing than I am the intricacies, but sometimes I read stuff like Zonal Marking when they talk about why managers made certain choices and it fills me with a similar skepicism as when English teachers used to explain the hidden allusions behind every tiny detail in an author's work.  "He called her that because it's a similar name to an egyptian God with a dog's head, symbolising her loyalty." rather than just liking the name.  "He brought on his holding midfielder to adjust the pace of the game to further suit his modified peruvian Christmas tree formation and allow his goalkeeper to put additional pressure on the perpendicular channels." rather than because the guy he replaced looked a bit fucking knackered.

 

 

Class.

[Jack Flash]

It always greatly amuses me when a "tactically astute" manager gets undone by a very simple, Sunday league goal. Barcelona passed the ball 10,000 times against Celtic and then a header from a corner and a long ball from the keeper did them in. Back to your chalkboards. Zlatan's 4th tonight sums it up. What can a machine tell us about that?

 

Embrace the chaos. It makes football fun.

[Guest firetotheworks]

What makes it fun is that it doesn't happen every week. That's also why there's nothing you can do about it. Insane goal.

[loki679]

Ah man it's like all that pretentious waffle on twitter by one of the lads that does ZM. Eg,

 

"Watching Cluj v Galatasary. Dull game but tactically fascinating"

 

Sharrap man, a s*** match is a s*** match.

 

 

Maybe it's because I'm more into football because of the drinking and swearing than I am the intricacies, but sometimes I read stuff like Zonal Marking when they talk about why managers made certain choices and it fills me with a similar skepicism as when English teachers used to explain the hidden allusions behind every tiny detail in an author's work.  "He called her that because it's a similar name to an egyptian God with a dog's head, symbolising her loyalty." rather than just liking the name.  "He brought on his holding midfielder to adjust the pace of the game to further suit his modified peruvian Christmas tree formation and allow his goalkeeper to put additional pressure on the perpendicular channels." rather than because the guy he replaced looked a bit f***ing knackered.

 

Someone kind of got exposed for this kind of bollocks on the FM forums a few days ago.  Guy fancies himself as a tactical genius and someone had posted asking for help.  A tactic screenshot had been posted up and he wrote a long, detailed tactical analysis explaining exactly what the defensive deficiencies were and why the guy was shipping goals, talking about high defensive lines and how he had the mentalities etc set wrong and the chaos it was causing in his defence.

 

Problem was it was another poster who'd posted the screenshot, not the OP and this guy had just won the league conceding something like fourteen goals.  What he posted sounded good but it was total bollocks.

[Tiresias]

Football is great because you can go as deep as you like tactically and it's still totally unpredictable, I see what people mean with skepticism of stuff like Michael Cox does but I think generally it's great, it just always comes with a big asterix, but if it was purely about these tactics would be much duller.

[buzza]

I feel a bit for Pardew as he's getting loads of stick on here (myself included at times). I don't think he would be asking the players to constantly wallop the ball up to the forwards. Whether it's a 442 or a 433, it's the fact that as soon as a bit of pressure is put on our defence when we are in possesion we buckle and resort to the long ball. This is most probably due to the fact our midfielders weren’t giving them passing options becuase the movement is virtually non-existant and too rigid.

The defence can really only bring the ball out fluidly on the left hand side when Colo and Santon are in the the back line, any attempts on the other side are flawed due to considerable lack of technique. I reckon if we signed a right back, a la Debuchy, we would improve drastically...

[The College Dropout]

It always greatly amuses me when a "tactically astute" manager gets undone by a very simple, Sunday league goal. Barcelona passed the ball 10,000 times against Celtic and then a header from a corner and a long ball from the keeper did them in. Back to your chalkboards. Zlatan's 4th tonight sums it up. What can a machine tell us about that?

 

Embrace the chaos. It makes football fun.

 

Thing is, that was tactically astute. It wasn't just a hopeful ball floated into the back post Yo-Willo style. They picked out Alba as the weakest link in a small team aerially. Barca zonal mark at corners so they knew where Alba would line up. Put in a great ball, then they had the big powerhouse house have a massive run-up on Alba. Nee chance, bang, goal. Pefect tactics - UTILISING YOUR STRENGTHS (height and strength) AND PENALISING OPPONENTS WEAKNESSES. Something we don't do.

 

Lennon had an attacking plan against Barca. Corner/set-pieces and rapid, quick, counter attacks.

[The College Dropout]

I generally agree with what is being said. IMO Redknapp is a better manager than Hodgson. Hodgson is better tactically and the Michael Cox's prefer him more as a result. However, Redknapp has a plug + play approach that aims to get the best out of the players at his disposal. Get good players, stumble across a system that works and let the good players PLAY and actively encourage that.

 

[colinmk]

It always greatly amuses me when a "tactically astute" manager gets undone by a very simple, Sunday league goal. Barcelona passed the ball 10,000 times against Celtic and then a header from a corner and a long ball from the keeper did them in. Back to your chalkboards. Zlatan's 4th tonight sums it up. What can a machine tell us about that?

 

Embrace the chaos. It makes football fun.

 

Thing is, that was tactically astute. It wasn't just a hopeful ball floated into the back post Yo-Willo style. They picked out Alba as the weakest link in a small team aerially. Barca zonal mark at corners so they knew where Alba would line up. Put in a great ball, then they had the big powerhouse house have a massive run-up on Alba. Nee chance, bang, goal. Pefect tactics - UTILISING YOUR STRENGTHS (height and strength) AND PENALISING OPPONENTS WEAKNESSES. Something we don't do.

 

Lennon had an attacking plan against Barca. Corner/set-pieces and rapid, quick, counter attacks.

 

Villanova - "The same thing happened at the Camp Nou. They played defensively and they waited to make fast counter attacks. They are very comfortable on corners and set pieces, and that's how they scored their two goals."

 

As you say, playing to your strengths. I think Pardew needs to start asking the question how do we beat them, not how to we stop them beating us.

[buzza]

It always greatly amuses me when a "tactically astute" manager gets undone by a very simple, Sunday league goal. Barcelona passed the ball 10,000 times against Celtic and then a header from a corner and a long ball from the keeper did them in. Back to your chalkboards. Zlatan's 4th tonight sums it up. What can a machine tell us about that?

 

Embrace the chaos. It makes football fun.

 

Thing is, that was tactically astute. It wasn't just a hopeful ball floated into the back post Yo-Willo style. They picked out Alba as the weakest link in a small team aerially. Barca zonal mark at corners so they knew where Alba would line up. Put in a great ball, then they had the big powerhouse house have a massive run-up on Alba. Nee chance, bang, goal. Pefect tactics - UTILISING YOUR STRENGTHS (height and strength) AND PENALISING OPPONENTS WEAKNESSES. Something we don't do.

 

Lennon had an attacking plan against Barca. Corner/set-pieces and rapid, quick, counter attacks.

 

Villanova - "The same thing happened at the Camp Nou. They played defensively and they waited to make fast counter attacks. They are very comfortable on corners and set pieces, and that's how they scored their two goals."

 

As you say, playing to your strengths. I think Pardew needs to start asking the question how do we beat them, not how to we stop them beating us.

Shudders as Sam Allerdice deja vu sets on 

[Mistle17]

Daniel Abrahams ‏@DanAbrahams77

Play to win and not to lose; play on the front foot & not the back foot; play with freedom and not with fear; play with ur head up not down

 

Please take note, Alan.

[taxfree]

Shut your gob!

[Mistle17]

Say 'please'.

[Unbelievable]

I'm sure the manager of the year will be thrilled by this great insight from a psychological coach wannabee..

[Ikon]

Should take note tbh.

[Mistle17]

I'm sure the manager of the year will be thrilled by this great insight from a psychological coach wannabee..

 

Dan Abrahams is actually a top sports psychologist, but not that you'll care. I don't know how people get so wound up about things like that when its blatantly obvious we set up to contain teams and clearly lack an attacking mindset. Calm down, ffs.

[taxfree]

From The Mirror -

 

"A few minutes from the end of Newcastle's defeat to West Ham, a fan bellowed some advice to Alan Pardew.

 

It was something about sorting the tactics out, and an insult about how poor his team had been.

 

The Newcastle boss heard the message loud and clear. We know this because he turned around on the touchline and told the disgruntled bloke to shut his gob."

 

If you missed it.

[Mistle17]

 

Very good! Bit of a 'whoosh' that one..

[Unbelievable]

I'm sure the manager of the year will be thrilled by this great insight from a psychological coach wannabee..

 

Dan Abrahams is actually a top sports psychologist, but not that you'll care. I don't know how people get so wound up about things like that when its blatantly obvious we set up to contain teams and clearly lack an attacking mindset. Calm down, ffs.

 

Look who's talking..

 

Has it totally escaped your mind we finished fifth last season, way better than most on here dared to dream, and our manager was awarded the manager of the year award as a result. Aye, I bet some two bob "top sports physchologist" would know better - tactics and psychology are near enough the same thing.. 

[Beren]

I'm sure the manager of the year will be thrilled by this great insight from a psychological coach wannabee..

 

Please let's not make that his epithet, man. As bas as referring to Wes Brown as 'the Champions' League winner'.

 

They both have those respective accolades but they don't necessarily represent their ability, nor put them beyond reproach or sensible criticism.

[Mistle17]

I'm sure the manager of the year will be thrilled by this great insight from a psychological coach wannabee..

 

Dan Abrahams is actually a top sports psychologist, but not that you'll care. I don't know how people get so wound up about things like that when its blatantly obvious we set up to contain teams and clearly lack an attacking mindset. Calm down, ffs.

 

Look who's talking..

 

Has it totally escaped your mind we finished fifth last season, way better than most on here dared to dream, and our manager was awarded the manager of the year award as a result. Aye, I bet a "top sports physchologist" would know better - tactics and psychology are near enough the same thing.. 

 

Really? No one seems to mention last season, I had no idea!

 

I never said he'd know better tactics than Pardew btw! It was more aimed at Pardew's mind set- one that seems controlled by fear.

[Unbelievable]

I'm sure the manager of the year will be thrilled by this great insight from a psychological coach wannabee..

 

Please let's not make that his epithet, man. As bas as referring to Wes Brown as 'the Champions' League winner'.

 

They both have those respective accolades but they don't necessarily represent their ability, nor put them beyond reproach or sensible criticism.

 

Are you seriously suggesting you can't see the difference between a manager of a mid-table team receiving those accolades for managing his team to being in the mix for CL football until the very last weekend of the season and a utility player of a great squad winning a medal in a tournament he barely featured in?