Guest palnese Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 What an upgrade on a young, improving and likable Hughton who was steering us comfortably through the season though eh :lol: Oh, please not the Hughton vs Pardew debate again. Both have their qualities, both have their flaws. Exactly. There's no point in discussing this again. What's done is done, let's just concentrate on our current problems eh? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He needs to find a solution pronto because he's building his own gallows with this 4-4-2 shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 What an upgrade on a young, improving and likable Hughton who was steering us comfortably through the season though eh :lol: Oh, please not the Hughton vs Pardew debate again. Both have their qualities, both have their flaws. Hughton's nearly 3 years older than Pardew, and still Beren plays the age card. Aye, gets forgotten quite often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Pardew's contract says he going to outlast every freaking player we have in the squad... He let his players play today, but tactically we have nothing going. Either a cross and hope scenario or Ben Arfa make me the Manager of the year again... As the commentor said everything good from Newcastle is orchestrated from Ben Arfa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 So last year we applaud he get the best out of Raylor, Perch and HBA and now we said he is absolutely shit at playing players at their full strength? Fucking fickle man. Playing Willo with a high line is suicidal. We all know that. Proven. Yet we have no choice, and we ALL asked Pardew to adapt a more attacking approach on the ground, WHICH HE DID TODAY, and as a result we lose the goal. The fact is it is ridiculous to have players like Willo (Fergie, Simpson and Sammy as well to be honest) starting in Premiership. Our squad is fucking weak. Face it. If you held Pardew responsible for the goal, do not complain for hoofball anymore. You sounds like Swansea players are all shits and the centrebacks are even worse than Willo yet then can play possession football. No, Fuck no. Willo was a champsionship level player who couldnt get a place in that Portsmouth. Forget? I thought you were real for a second until I read that last line :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He needs to find a solution pronto because he's building his own gallows with this 4-4-2 shite. Can i be Albert Pierrepoint ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 He needs to find a solution pronto because he's building his own gallows with this 4-4-2 shite. Gallows you say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 title of the thread should be Alan '8 Years' Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. This. Where can I put money on the inevitable Senegal excuse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The seeds for the current malaise were sown a year ago - even when we were winning last season there were issues and causes for concern bubbling away underneath the good results. Training 4 days out of 5 on defending the opposition, and never really forging a team identity or style, might get results in the short term, but as we're seeing it's unsustainable over longer periods. Pardew needs to have a wholesale change in his entire approach - which is a big ask. If he simply retreats into his conservative, safety first approach where attacking consists entirely of players trying to do things on their own then we are fucked with him in charge. I don't think Pardew has the ability to turn it around in a short space of time as he is paying for the consequences of his own decisions over the past year. This isn't a simple matter of 4-3-3 vs 4-4-2 - it's far bigger than that. so it may well get worse before it gets better - if it gets better. Seems his record at one or two previous clubs is worryingly similar to what is going on here - start well, talk a good game and gradually get exposed when your side begins to slump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 One third of the players out there today don't belong at this level, so it's not all his fault. Tactically he's looking more clueless by the game, though. I'd agree he is clueless not playing hoofball + tight defense when we are forced to use Willo. Willo isn't singularly the problem. He hits it long because we don't use the midfield because we are team that like to go direct. Also, are you actually criticising the fans for wanting our team to attack Swansea at home?? For real?? Tactically, we weren't much different today. 4-4-2, little movement, pump it long often. Tried to play it around a bit, felt unfamiliar, go long again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. Ditto. :/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Vinkent Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 All I can think of at the minute is Pards doing an Obama style "8 more years" pitch in a press conference Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 So last year we applaud he get the best out of Raylor, Perch and HBA and now we said he is absolutely s*** at playing players at their full strength? f***ing fickle man. Playing Willo with a high line is suicidal. We all know that. Proven. Yet we have no choice, and we ALL asked Pardew to adapt a more attacking approach on the ground, WHICH HE DID TODAY, and as a result we lose the goal. The fact is it is ridiculous to have players like Willo (Fergie, Simpson and Sammy as well to be honest) starting in Premiership. Our squad is f***ing weak. Face it. If you held Pardew responsible for the goal, do not complain for hoofball anymore. You sounds like Swansea players are all shits and the centrebacks are even worse than Willo yet then can play possession football. No, f*** no. Willo was a champsionship level player who couldnt get a place in that Portsmouth. Forget? Sure, we tried to play a bit higher, but usually we just lumped the ball to Ba and hoped for the best. Either that, or rightfully just let Ben Arfa work his magic on his won. "That's" not what "we" wanted ffs. Unfortunately this team, with Pardew in charge, just lack any real attacking football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. This tbh. I just feel the changes are obvious and he can't see them. That said, I don't know the day-to-day inside workings of the club so my opinion is clearly biased from one signt into the club 90 minutes a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. This. Where can I put money on the inevitable Senegal excuse? Agree. He'll say he had to change the system in the last moment because of Cisse missing out. Something like that can always happen, when a player gets injured close to the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I've turned on him, and I hate it. I really want to support him, but I just can't atm. Yep. It takes a talented manager to turn all that goodwill against him so quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElDiablo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 The seeds for the current malaise were sown a year ago - even when we were winning last season there were issues and causes for concern bubbling away underneath the good results. Training 4 days out of 5 on defending the opposition, and never really forging a team identity or style, might get results in the short term, but as we're seeing it's unsustainable over longer periods. Pardew needs to have a wholesale change in his entire approach - which is a big ask. If he simply retreats into his conservative, safety first approach where attacking consists entirely of players trying to do things on their own then we are fucked with him in charge. I don't think Pardew has the ability to turn it around in a short space of time as he is paying for the consequences of his own decisions over the past year. This isn't a simple matter of 4-3-3 vs 4-4-2 - it's far bigger than that. so it may well get worse before it gets better - if it gets better. Seems his record at one or two previous clubs is worryingly similar to what is going on here - start well, talk a good game and gradually get exposed when your side begins to slump. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Poll needs reseting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I haven't really seen anything this season to suggest the way we play is down to a formation. We've been poor no matter how we've lined up, it's as if they aren't made to pass and move in training . We just have no cohesion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 Thing that surprises me is, we aren't particularly solid at the back either. Sure, we're not incisive and clever upfront, but we can't really keep teams at bay either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 So last year we applaud he get the best out of Raylor, Perch and HBA and now we said he is absolutely s*** at playing players at their full strength? f***ing fickle man. Playing Willo with a high line is suicidal. We all know that. Proven. Yet we have no choice, and we ALL asked Pardew to adapt a more attacking approach on the ground, WHICH HE DID TODAY, and as a result we lose the goal. The fact is it is ridiculous to have players like Willo (Fergie, Simpson and Sammy as well to be honest) starting in Premiership. Our squad is f***ing weak. Face it. If you held Pardew responsible for the goal, do not complain for hoofball anymore. You sounds like Swansea players are all shits and the centrebacks are even worse than Willo yet then can play possession football. No, f*** no. Willo was a champsionship level player who couldnt get a place in that Portsmouth. Forget? He has to take some of the blame. Its clear we emphasize the defensive aspects of our side & as a result we do not look fluid going forwards & rely on individual ability. Its simply not working this season with the injuries in midfield/defence. So he has to rethink this approach & take some of the flack for these results. Agree with that. He has a part and he has to do his work since he's got paid. Just that I put blames on management and the players more on Pardew today. West Ham is a disaster. Today is actually an improvement prior to their goal. I expected that would come since we NEVER keep a clean sheet with Willo + high line. Never. The midfielders and the wing backs (except HBA) were letting the team down by delivering extremely poor cross to Ba. We should have scored goals in the first half by taking that gamble, which we didnt, and thus we paid the inevitable price. Colo + Taylor and Tiote + Cabaye were our most important players. Last year we rely on them to get a great run both the start and the end of season. This year we have never been able to play them together consistently. I am actually not surprised that we didnt play like a "top 5" team, because we were never a top 5 team unless we play our best 11 players, which is impossible this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 I'd be more inclined to give him my full backing if I thought he was taking steps to remedy some of the all too obvious flaws in our performances. But frankly we're seeing the same shit every week. You can pretty much predict the trajectory of our game plan these days: slow start, slight improvement after 20, slight attempt at passing the ball about a bit, back to hoofing, etc. As things stand I'm not seeing any improvement whatsoever in the set-up or otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 17, 2012 Share Posted November 17, 2012 One third of the players out there today don't belong at this level, so it's not all his fault. Tactically he's looking more clueless by the game, though. I'd agree he is clueless not playing hoofball + tight defense when we are forced to use Willo. At face value it seems preposterous to point the finger at Mike Williamson for bad football. But the truth is, you've got a player in the team that can't play the ball out of defence, that the midfield have to protect, and can't form part of a high line because of his lack of pace. He should be nowhere near this team. There's no excuse for it, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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