Alan Pardew

[Interpolic]

Nobody else hearing what I'm hearing then?  My dad alluded to it earlier and it clicked.  Put everything else aside and he's taking subtle digs at the board more and more often.

[toon25]

He's really kept up his can-do attitude from last season, fair play.

 

Nah seriously, take a step back here.  Start reading between the lines of what he's saying in almost every interview now.

 

This one: "they are stronger clubs than us financially", “I've heard in the press and even our fans talking about transfers in".

 

After Swansea: along the lines of "they had a more experienced side out than us", i.e. the board didn't back me so I'm forced to play kids (and tbf out of form players too as there is no competition for places).

 

He's taking subtle swipes at the board and if he's got any integrity or ambition about him (and I'm not saying this would be good for us) the public swipes will get more obvious and behind closed doors he'll be ranting and raving.  That will be his undoing and why he gets binned in the end, because it's not likely to be for playing matters unless we're really struggling.  That's unless he is actually willing to put up with it, the signs are he's getting pissed off with it.

 

Very true. Can't see Ashley getting rid in spite of the shite we've been served up so far this season. We'd have to be bottom three by Christmas, I reckon, if Ashley was going to pull the trigger.

 

Even if Pardew was to go, I wonder what manager worth his salt would be willing to work under this regime? Doubtless it'd be another chancer, another football dinosaur/relic who wouldn't otherwise be able to get a top flight job. Frustrating as fuck, but Pardew's got to be a safer bet for the time being. Not a chance in hell we'll ever be appointing a top draw manager under this lot.

[colinmk]

Nobody else hearing what I'm hearing then?  My dad alluded to it earlier and it clicked.  Put everything else aside and he's taking subtle digs at the board more and more often.

 

You could be right for sure man but he got into bed with them and he knew what was under the covers.

[olliemort]

Nobody else hearing what I'm hearing then?  My dad alluded to it earlier and it clicked.  Put everything else aside and he's taking subtle digs at the board more and more often.

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Makes sense.Signed one player all summer

[Parky]

Subtle digs these may be. [/yoda]

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

hearing Pardew talk about a "magical plan" just made me want to go and watch the old magical bike ride video again tbh.

 

AP:  "John, even though we're 2 down against Southampton, PULL THE MADDEST COWIE FACE!"

[TheGuv]

He's actually beginning to lose it...

 

Maybe i was right after all when i said he wouldn't end the season in charge

[madras]

doesn't he regularly come out with stuff like this ? pretty sure on the run up to every transfer window people are reading between the lines about getting us ready to sell everyone and coded messages to the owner.

 

agree with midds about getting sick of hearing him but to be fair it goes for all managers, they all say what they think we want to hear and lie through their teeth, they shouldn't be required to have press conferences etc as 99.9% of them are pure shit.

[Interpolic]

Be contrary all you like - it's went from him saying it was a very successful window and that we should all be thankful to the owner, to him making more and more statements that indicate he's frustrated that he couldn't add to his squad in the summer.  The increase in those statements has coincided with a downturn in results, it says to me that he's not willing to take the heat off the board as much (if at all) when things aren't going so well.  Will be interesting to see if there's anything in it.

[madras]

Be contrary all you like - it's went from him saying it was a very successful window and that we should all be thankful to the owner, to him making more and more statements that indicate he's frustrated that he couldn't add to his squad in the summer.  The increase in those statements has coincided with a downturn in results, it says to me that he's not willing to take the heat off the board as much (if at all) when things aren't going so well.  Will be interesting to see if there's anything in it.

on the run up to every window he says what we 'want' (the message to the owner) and afterwards ' be thakful we didn't sell everyone'...where's the contrariness ?

[Interpolic]

Be contrary all you like - it's went from him saying it was a very successful window and that we should all be thankful to the owner, to him making more and more statements that indicate he's frustrated that he couldn't add to his squad in the summer.  The increase in those statements has coincided with a downturn in results, it says to me that he's not willing to take the heat off the board as much (if at all) when things aren't going so well.  Will be interesting to see if there's anything in it.

on the run up to every window he says what we 'want' (the message to the owner) and afterwards ' be thakful we didn't sell everyone'...where's the contrariness ?

 

He's not dong that, he's not generally referring to future windows and 'what we want', he's making statements that are blaming the last window and the general transfer policy for our form.  He's never really done that before and he's now doing it more and more regularly.  In other words, not taking the heat off the board as you might expect.  Plus it's a bit early to be putting pressure on before January.

[madras]

Be contrary all you like - it's went from him saying it was a very successful window and that we should all be thankful to the owner, to him making more and more statements that indicate he's frustrated that he couldn't add to his squad in the summer.  The increase in those statements has coincided with a downturn in results, it says to me that he's not willing to take the heat off the board as much (if at all) when things aren't going so well.  Will be interesting to see if there's anything in it.

on the run up to every window he says what we 'want' (the message to the owner) and afterwards ' be thakful we didn't sell everyone'...where's the contrariness ?

 

He's not dong that, he's not generally referring to future windows and 'what we want', he's making statements that are blaming the last window and the general transfer policy for our form.  He's never really done that before and he's now doing it more and more regularly.  In other words, not taking the heat off the board as you might expect.  Plus it's a bit early to be putting pressure on before January.

where you getting that from.

 

says other clubs have more money...check

says we just have to get on with it....check

 

if anything some would say he's saying clubs that have spent more than us are in a simialr situation, reading that article, which group of words lead you to the conclusion he's having a sly dig at the owner  ?

[Interpolic]

“I've heard in the press and even our fans talking about transfers in" - that says to me in the summer just gone, not in January.  And in that case he's changed his tune a lot since a couple of months back, when things were a bit more "rosy".  He'll have to watch himself being so insubordinate, that's all I'm saying.

 

Plus as stated, the quotes about big old Swansea having a more experienced side out than us, in other words he's pissed off that he's having to play kids.  Saying he wasn't that disappointed with the result on Saturday and also that "What do you want me to say?" quote suggest he's feeling a bit hard done by and is absolving himself of much of the criticism. I suspect there are other quotes knocking about as that's the feeling I get, I can't be arsed digging them up as I'm off to bed.

[Robster]

and I hope we can.“

I don't like the idea that our manager 'hopes' we can do something. I want him to be positive and tell everyone that he 'knows' we can.

[madras]

swansea did have a more experienced team out (not that i think it matters too much).

 

the quote you mentioned is very ambiguous, even if it meant the window gone, which i'm not sure about, in which we had decent bids for de jong and debuchy (if the story they moved the goalposts are true), would he rather spend that on inferirors are bide his time.....would you ?

 

not disappointed with the reult on saturday, i'll bet he was, my guess is he's tripped over his words or it's been misreported, if it were true and meant that way that would be the BIG story.........you know that deep down aswell.

[BONTEMPI]

Win champions league = Sacked

 

Play dogshite excuse for football = 8 year contract

 

I'm pissed and annoyed! I can sleep now!

[Weezertron]

Must drive Graham Carr nuts seeing his players playing such shit football.

[TRon]

He's really kept up his can-do attitude from last season, fair play.

 

Nah seriously, take a step back here.  Start reading between the lines of what he's saying in almost every interview now.

 

This one: "they are stronger clubs than us financially", “I've heard in the press and even our fans talking about transfers in".

 

After Swansea: along the lines of "they had a more experienced side out than us", i.e. the board didn't back me so I'm forced to play kids (and tbf out of form players too as there is no competition for places).

 

He's taking subtle swipes at the board and if he's got any integrity or ambition about him (and I'm not saying this would be good for us) the public swipes will get more obvious and behind closed doors he'll be ranting and raving.  That will be his undoing and why he gets binned in the end, because it's not likely to be for playing matters unless we're really struggling.  That's unless he is actually willing to put up with it, the signs are he's getting pissed off with it.

 

Why is he taking subtle swipes at the board while signing an 8 year contract?

[Mick]

 

 

He doesn't complain about it though.

 

He's full of shit, how can he complain that we are suffering because he is having to field two teams a week then complain that other teams have or use more players?

 

Also, how is playing Maritimo at home then Southampton away any harder than playing Real Madrid at home and then Chelsea away like Man City are doing?  Chelsea has played 21 competitive games so far this season if you include the charity shield, we've played 19, he should get somebody to read his script before he puts it into the public domain.

 

He's feeling the pressure and he's using any excuse he can think of to deflect any blame for results away from him, some will fall for it.

[oldtype]

I just think it's better if we're able to look for reasons why things have changed for the worse from last year rather than just saying "I hate him and he's always been shit." The former at least gives us some sort of clue as to how to begin to improve things while the latter just leads to morbid negativity.

 

Obviously it's his fault if the players aren't playing as well since he's the manager. Nobody's trying to deflect responsibility here. I just think the causes for his failure are a bit more complex as opposed to him just being a complete imbecile. Given that we're basically stuck with him, I don't think it would be good for my mental health to start believing in the latter.

 

This is a tough spot for him and he's definitely feeling the pressure. The last time he was under pressure at this club (his arrival) he came out with flying colors. Hoping the same can happen here.

[Mick]

I just think it's better if we're able to look for reasons why things have changed for the worse from last year rather than just saying "I hate him and he's always been s***." The former at least gives us some sort of clue as to how to begin to improve things while the latter just leads to morbid negativity.

 

Obviously it's his fault if the players aren't playing as well since he's the manager. Nobody's trying to deflect responsibility here. I just think the causes for his failure are a bit more complex as opposed to him just being a complete imbecile. Given that we're basically stuck with him, I don't think it would be good for my mental health to start believing in the latter.

 

This is a tough spot for him and he's definitely feeling the pressure. The last time he was under pressure at this club (his arrival) he came out with flying colors. Hoping the same can happen here.

 

I agree with most of that and really hope that he can turn things around because I don't want to see what a load of bollocks Llambias and Ashley can make of another appointment.

[merlin]

I think there's a bit of a "Chicken/Egg" problem with the whole "only plays long balls" thing.

 

I sincerely doubt that the players are specifically instructed to hoof it long. I think it's just that a lot of our less talented players end up reverting to that because overall movement off the ball is extremely poor so there's rarely an easy pass to pick out.

 

The fundamental problem is a lack of movement and understanding between the players, everything stems from that.

 

If that is the case then it's still down to the manager because it happens so often that he should do something about it.  Haven't we had quotes from Stone only this week about us hitting it long?

 

Anybody reading some posts on here would think a manager has no responsibilities because you can find an excuse for everything.

 

He’s the manager, he’s responsible for choosing incoming signings and he’s gone out of his way to tell us that he plays a part in this.  It’s tough if that’s not the case because he’s tied himself into our transfer activity through the claims that he’s made on the subject.

 

He’s responsible for coaching the players on a daily basis, the same players who hoof the ball as if it was a bomb ready to go off.  He decides to concentrate on defence for 4 out of 5 days so is it any wonder that we aren’t very good at playing the ball and opening up the opposition when we rarely practice it?

 

He’s responsible for picking the team, the same team that has looked like a middle to lower league side.  The same team that changes twice a week when we play in Europe so it’s no wonder we’re disjointed if we practice for part of the week with one team for one game then another team for another game a couple of days later.

 

Pardew is responsible for team morale, it’s up to him to get his players performing to the best of their ability, if he can’t then he’s not doing his job.

 

He chooses the tactics, it his responsibility to pick the best players available to play against the opposition using the most likely tactics to get the most from each game, it’s not working yet he still goes with the same s*** time after time.  He could have changed things around against Swansea because of Cisse not being available, it was the easy option but he didn’t make the most of it even though it had been recognised that we were being outnumbered in midfield.  Something has been said to him even though he thinks our two can outnumber 3, how does that work?  Why does it become a surprise that 3 people can walk the ball around 2?

 

Pardew is responsible for our substitutions and more often than not he leaves me scratching my head.  2 out of 3 changes on Saturday made no sense at all and he's lost the plot if he thinks taking one player off needs another 3 players to move to allow that 1 player to come on.

 

Pardew is the manager of the football club, he is responsible for managing the team and should be held to account when we are playing poorly and/or losing games.

 

We’ve got some very good players who are proven quality and have been used to winning, I refuse to believe that what we see now is the limit of the ability of the players that Pardew has at his disposal.

 

If people want to happily go along with thinking that what we have now is good enough, or as good as it can get with our current squad then that's up to them.  Personally, I think we're well below par and the reason for that is fairly easy to see.  It's coaching, tactics and players being unable to play a style of football which is both alien to them and shambolic.

 

I doubt for one minute that any professional footballer would want to play the way we play on a regular basis.  As a fan, I don’t want to have to see it.

 

The players are not blameless in all this but I don't see them as the major problem.

 

A really good post Mick - sums up my feelings about the whole thing entirely.

The lack of movement and obvious lack of thought being put into our game is down to coaching methods and the style dictated by the manager. When KK took over in 1992, it was clear, even from the first match against Bristol City, that the players were more motivated and trying to play a pass and move game.

 

The improvement didn't really become obvious until the following season when we started to take teams apart and won 11 games off the belt playing really good football.

Nobody could say KK spent a fortune in his first season or two - we spent comparatively little after getting promotion, with Kelly being sold and Beardsley coming back being the major moves before the season started and we eventually finished 3rd.

 

This is history, but it IS relevant - the manager dictates the style of play and he has to live or die by the results. We over-achieved last season, but we do have at least 7 players who are top half PL quality at least so should be playing the type of football which gets the best out of them.

 

The kick and rush stuff is also bad for our younger players as it instills bad habits into them, The ball should NEVER be given away as cheaply or as often as we do it and this is a direct result of playing the percentage game that Pardew seems to be wanting the side to play.

 

We have had injuries and suspensions, but all teams have those and some of our suspensions are a result of rash tackles which look suspiciously like frustration to me...

 

This can't go on, but its anyone's guess how it will all end....probably badly if history is any guide.

[Mick]

 

 

A really good post Mick - sums up my feelings about the whole thing entirely.

The lack of movement and obvious lack of thought being put into our game is down to coaching methods and the style dictated by the manager. When KK took over in 1992, it was clear, even from the first match against Bristol City, that the players were more motivated and trying to play a pass and move game.

 

The improvement didn't really become obvious until the following season when we started to take teams apart and won 11 games off the belt playing really good football.

Nobody could say KK spent a fortune in his first season or two - we spent comparatively little after getting promotion, with Kelly being sold and Beardsley coming back being the major moves before the season started and we eventually finished 3rd.

 

This is history, but it IS relevant - the manager dictates the style of play and he has to live or die by the results. We over-achieved last season, but we do have at least 7 players who are top half PL quality at least so should be playing the type of football which gets the best out of them.

 

The kick and rush stuff is also bad for our younger players as it instills bad habits into them, The ball should NEVER be given away as cheaply or as often as we do it and this is a direct result of playing the percentage game that Pardew seems to be wanting the side to play.

 

We have had injuries and suspensions, but all teams have those and some of our suspensions are a result of rash tackles which look suspiciously like frustration to me...

 

This can't go on, but its anyone's guess how it will all end....probably badly if history is any guide.

 

Keegan did no work with the defence, all of his work was with the forwards.  It's strange that a tactically naive manager (as many claimed) would spend all of his time on attack yet we only let in 41 goals the first season back in the league.  Last season we concentrated our training on defence for 4 days a week and let in 51 goals and played 4 league games less.

 

Attack is the best form of defence.

 

[Interpolic]

He's really kept up his can-do attitude from last season, fair play.

 

Nah seriously, take a step back here.  Start reading between the lines of what he's saying in almost every interview now.

 

This one: "they are stronger clubs than us financially", “I've heard in the press and even our fans talking about transfers in".

 

After Swansea: along the lines of "they had a more experienced side out than us", i.e. the board didn't back me so I'm forced to play kids (and tbf out of form players too as there is no competition for places).

 

He's taking subtle swipes at the board and if he's got any integrity or ambition about him (and I'm not saying this would be good for us) the public swipes will get more obvious and behind closed doors he'll be ranting and raving.  That will be his undoing and why he gets binned in the end, because it's not likely to be for playing matters unless we're really struggling.  That's unless he is actually willing to put up with it, the signs are he's getting pissed off with it.

 

Why is he taking subtle swipes at the board while signing an 8 year contract?

 

He isn't.  He's started doing it in recent weeks.

[Lush Vlad]

Moving on from all the gripes about his interviews and playing style.  He really needs to get rid of this 'never came from a goal down to win in the league' stat.

 

Apart from maybe the relegation season, I can't remember a time, where every time you go a goal down, you're thinking 'we now can't win the game, best we can hope for is a draw'.  It's fucking depressing TBH.