afar Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 We are stuck with him unfortunately I just can envisage a situation that would see Ashley sack him. He's not going to do it despite all our angst. In fact I think Ashley is so f***ing stubborn that the more vocal the fans get the more he'll dig his heals in, he's already proved that he doesn't give a damn what the fans think. That's why I just don't see how we will not be relegated because this man has lost it, lost the players and of course the fans too. Hopelessly out of his depth in a relegation fight as he proved at west ham. I'm sure Allardyce was sacked when one fan was seen on tele telling him he didn't know what he was doing, today thousands told Pardew the same thing. I live in hope. Not his man though, Par dew very much is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 We don't really need a manger at this point. Even Pardew himself is admitting it's signing new players which will make the difference. In which case why not sign the players and get someone else in who will make less of a pig's ear of managing the team during 90 mins? the real difficulty is who, the names familar with the prem easily available aren't exactly stellar (Di Matteo and Adkins probably the best of the bunch available rather easily) while I personally would be very wary of throwing someone unfamiliar with the prem in at the deep end so to speak. Much better to get someone like that before a season starts and give them time to adapt. Why do we need anyone familiar with the Prem? Poyet wasn't familiar with the Prem yet he kicked our arse tactically and and all over the pitch twice in 12 months. Di Matteo and Adkins are of a similar pedigree. Not that it's much of a pedigree, but compared to Pardew their record probably stands up quite well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I do think he's on an abnormally bad run mind. I think where we were pre-West Ham was his true level. Stuttering to mid-table mediocrity, winning a few, scraping a few draws, etc. Unacceptable still. From pretty much Stoke to today there's been performances and games where we could have got a few results and hadn't. But even if he had got those results, 12th or wherever we might have been is still piss poor for the players he's got to work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Im with Tron regarding Poyet. I think he'd do well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 In the vast majority of PL clubs, Pardew would be gone by tomorrow - he would probably have been gone after the Everton game.. Unfortunately, the club is not being run by people with either any knowledge of football or any sense of responsibility to its customers - the fans - so I will be very surprised if Pardew is not manager by the Villa game. Any fool can see that NUFC is in freefall ; we have just lost at home to a major relegation rival after a string of demoralizing defeats, the club captain wants to leave, our top goal scorer has bailed out, we are failing to compete properly in tne transfer market and being upstaged by relegation rivals, and the sides below and around us are picking up points. Ashley almost certainly doesn't care what the fans think and if truth be known, is happy to gamble with the club's PL status rather than admit he has been wrong about Pardew or anything else - I am convinced that this guy would be a failure in any other business than stack'em high and sell em cheap, which has been a recession-type business, because he clearly does not learn from his mistakes. I am sick of saying this, but Pardew's record tells you the tale - many of us, including myself, hoped he had profited by his past errors and would be a decent manager at NUFC but that is clearly not the case. Yes, he has had a difficult pitch with the 2 clowns pulling the rug under his feet last summer, but he still had enough quality available to keep the side from a relegation battle...IF he was a good manager. I cannot see where we go from here...the old Irish joke comes to mind about the paddy asked for directions to Dublin and replying ' Oi wouldn't starrt from here if oi were you'... Pardew is the epitome of the Hollies 60s hit ; 'KIng Midas in Reverse'.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 We don't really need a manger at this point. Even Pardew himself is admitting it's signing new players which will make the difference. In which case why not sign the players and get someone else in who will make less of a pig's ear of managing the team during 90 mins? the real difficulty is who, the names familar with the prem easily available aren't exactly stellar (Di Matteo and Adkins probably the best of the bunch available rather easily) while I personally would be very wary of throwing someone unfamiliar with the prem in at the deep end so to speak. Much better to get someone like that before a season starts and give them time to adapt. Why do we need anyone familiar with the Prem? Poyet wasn't familiar with the Prem yet he kicked our arse tactically and and all over the pitch twice in 12 months. Di Matteo and Adkins are of a similar pedigree. Not that it's much of a pedigree, but compared to Pardew their record probably stands up quite well. I'm utterly ignoring anyone in a job because Ashley won't go for them thus no point considering someone managing in the champ or whatever so our realistic candidates who are unfamiliar with the prem are foreign ones and I'd be reluctant to throw them in a difficult situation like ours as the best way to employ them. Thus leaving us with an uninspiring list of prospective replacements of which Mark Hughes is probably the most qualified for our current situation. The problem is I don't like the idea of replacing Pardew with Hughes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 needed 7-9 points from norwich, reading & villa games...he can get a max of 4 now he needs to fucking go, it's been as clear as day for a long long time now...he'll take us down Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 More's the pity I think he'll get until at least the transfer window closes, we won't get anyone in without a manager. If we don' win the next two games I can see him gone, but it's pointless sacking him now when we are in desperate need of at least 2 players. I honestly don't think players really give a s*** about who the manager is. Some of them have better relationships with certain managers, but in general if they're coming they're coming for the money and to play for NUFC, not because our manager is Alan Pardew or anyone else we could attract. If they are coming for the money then we are stuffed...a la Remy, although it seems they MAY have bowed to the inevitable in order to get a defender through the door... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 needed 7-9 points from norwich, reading & villa games...he can get a max of 4 now he needs to f***ing go, it's been as clear as day for a long long time now...he'll take us down Absolutely but the only man who can make that decision doesn't think like normal folk. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 How come the title has not changed yet? PARDEW OUT Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 From Grim's final season... Souness - P24 W7 D5 L12 PTS 26 Pardew - P23 W5 D6 L12 PTS 21 Exciting times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirkwdavis2001 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I don't disagree but who can we get in? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 I don't disagree but who can we get in? At this point I really don't think it matters because barring a JFK type of appointment anyone reasonable would be able to save us with the players we have. We just need a change right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 as a minimum i think sack him and leave carver in charge...he'd release the shackles on the players and it wouldn't mean upheaval throughout the club that'd be my fallback unless they had a decent appointment lined up, which they won't have Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The point is, even the players just decide the squad and play themselves, they would still get enough points to stay in EPL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weezertron Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Aren't there even any rumours of him going? Jesus wept. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 The point is, even the players just decide the squad and play themselves, they would still get enough points to stay in EPL. agreed, but that's not ever going to happen so binning him and leaving the current backroom staff to run it would be a better solution to me given how sure everyone is that we can't get anyone better... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 if he remains in charge we are down, new players or not so may as well replace him now. the bloke has no clue how to motivate or get out of this. he says he has experiences of this and yes he has, he also got relegated the times he had Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 His only hope if he is staying as it would seem is that he pulls his head out of his arse and does away with some of these ridiculous selections/tactics. Play people in their preferred positions ffs, Shola on the wing? :lol: I mean you couldn't make it up. If they were to sign Mbiwa (meaning Williamson is nowhere near the team), get HBA back in the fold and bring in another striker there's still enough dross in this league that might mean we stay up ridiculous as it may sound. But yeah I agree after watching that yesterday it just seems that this is a completely rudderless ship with a manager who a) seems to have been found out and b) whatever skills he had in sending the team out/setting them up have rotted away in the panic that is the increasing pressure thats getting to him. Like I said I've never seen anything like what happend in that second half yesterday ................. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toptoon Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Taking Marveaux off for Perch to defend a 1 -0 lead was another really really shocking decision by Pardew. Can understand the Cabaye one. Pinning our fortunes on starting Shola up top is just asking for relegation he is very poor and always has been. Obertan is pants. Williamson also poor. We need Taylor and most of all HBA back, Taylor, HBA, Cabaye and perhaps Marveaux could save us. Get a new left winger/striker with pace and skill in or ....get relegated. Paying Remy double suddenly doesn't look like too bad a decision now. Desperate times call for desperate measures. If there's no bargains left we may have to pay more to save ourselves at this stage as we are in complete free fall. How much is staying in the premier league worth ? £40 million or something is it ? QPR will soon be closing the gap on us and we'll be swapping places if this continues. We need to start: Krul Debuchy Taylor Colo Santon Tiote/Bigi Cabaye Marveaux HBA New Winger/Striker Cisse If our very good (imo) but very out of form striker Cisse continues to miss chance after chance try young campbell, he as least seems to know where the back of the net is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 Alan Pardew is the Alan Smith of management. The amount of times he's cost us points this season is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 16.6% win ratio since signing the new contract. You've got to make connections between the two? bit of a lazy thing to do tbh, the problems began not with Pardew himself starting them but the injuries and lack of adaption to dealing with the europa league on our schedule. What can be pinned on Pardew is the lack of any credible response or solution to these difficulties and indeed making them worse with strange team selections even with more limited resources lately. ATM he just doesn't seem to know how to get the side out of the trouble its in, I honestly don't think he caused most of the initial problems but his reaction to these difficulties leaves a lot to be desired. I completely disagree. It's been rank bad management and shit decisions since day 1 this season. Pandering to Ba. 4-4-2, keep it right and get it forward. Jonas starts when fit, no matter how he's playing. Cisse on the wing. Ameobi on the wing. Ameobi starts and plays 90 minutes, bring Cisse off. 2 games trying a different set penis, back to the old one He's done all this, not injuries or Europe, it's him man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 everything Venkman said, pardew is more to blame than anyone or anything else this season imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 We've played well twice, Bordeaux and the Mackems. Twice, it's the manager. And one of those was a backs to wall defend for 60 minutes against the Mackems who were awful at that point. Colo and Cabaye basically got us a point by themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted January 20, 2013 Share Posted January 20, 2013 everything Venkman said, pardew is more to blame than anyone or anything else this season imo this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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