Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I don't care who our manager is or who we have playing for us, a top 6 place should always be where we aim to be and not finishing in the top 6 should always be seen as failure. Not a disaster, but a failure all the same and something to be seriously disappointed with . Talking about a disaster... finishing 5th and with 7 games to go or so left of the following season, sitting just a few points off a relegation spot, having played turgid shit for the whole of the season is a fucking disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I wouldn't bother Mick, Inochi is the most pathetic person on here. He's just got a different opinion and it doesn't make any difference what any of us think anyway, whatever is going to happen, will happen. Well he said some fucking derogatory stuff about myself about words and fresh air which shows imo how pathetic he is. What are you on about, man? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Either way we can agree that this season has been so far below par that par is no longer visible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 We're 20 points behind this stage last season, 6 points behind the year before (when we changed managers halfway through) and only 4 points ahead of the relegation season. After 31 games; 80% of the way through. Even accounting for all of the things that have been against Pardew this season, that's not nearly good enough. It's not. At all. But, I don't think you'll find many who'd disagree. It is what it is, and today hasn't changed that. My position is well known, but he still gets next year for me. One season of supposed massive over performance, one of massive under performance. I'd like to see what the mean is before a decision is made. Depends if you think last season was over-performance I suppose. For me, with our players, it was about par. Nee wonder you're never happy then if you think 5th is par. Maybe that is the reason but I'd say bang in the middle of Arsenal, Liverpool, Spurs and Everton is around about where we should be - some of those clubs have decent money, some have fuck all but they're all a similar level to us and none have mega money. Where would you say our par is? What was below Liverpool? Swansea maybe, or Norwich, or Fulham? Of course 5th/6th is where we should be. In and around Everton would be what I was hoping for at the season start and think is where we should be aiming for. We (and them) are miles behind Arsenal, Spurs and Liverpool as clubs in terms of spend/draw/recent history. Albeit Everton are making a good fist of things this season and batting a little above average. EDIT: also see IPs post. I don't think our squad is significantly poorer than any of those four clubs and I think they'd all take at least half a dozen of our players if offered. Their managers blow ours out of the water however. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I don't care about his CV, mate. I'll make my own judgement. ? I don't think you can ignore the past just because it wasn't with us, he has a history and he's repeating it here. Even our good season was more down to results than performances. You don't have to make every mistake possible in life, you can see others make them and learn from them. Right, fair enough, you don't have to ignore it. I'm not pretending to not at least be aware of it, but I obviously don't think it has as much of a bearing on what wi happen here. I've made my judgements on him based on his time here, that won't change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 We have some decent footballers who are playing absolute shite football and that is laid at the managers door. For me it's not all about results, i can't stand that Fat Sam way of thinking. I want to see a team that plays great football and win at the same time. And it's most definitely possible with the players we have. But it isn't going to happen with this bloke as the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 How long do we give him next season? First 10 games? 20? The full season? This season, our performances, him picking the likes of fucking Obertan is the real Alan Pardew, a lower league manager out of his depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 How long do we give him next season? First 10 games? 20? The full season? This season, our performances, him picking the likes of fucking Obertan is the real Alan Pardew, a lower league manager out of his depth. He has 1st 10 games next season for me. We must be in top half by then imo and still in the league cup under normal circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Pardew on Radio Newcastle now; Too many good players missing No excuses No pressure on Man Citeh today Side unbalanced - James Perch on a yellow - Jonas not a left back Should be stronger for Benfica/Fulham Big lesson today - not good enough retaining possession and no pressing on the ball. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 I think the football under Pardew's that bad on the whole that it's only vaguely acceptable when you're getting good results, because in a sense you can't really argue with it as everyone wants what's best for NUFC and that ultimately means winning games. However, bad football and bad results is a horror combination and that's what we've had this year. That said, I am generally a big believer in playing well (as in expressively, without fear, with attacking intent and a gameplan to worry the opposition rather than worry about them) will generally yield results if you do it well enough. The 2 things (performances and results) can and should go hand in hand. That's been drummed into me as a philosophy since Keegan was manager, and then Robson had a similar outlook too. I do fear it'll mean I'll rarely be happy as a Newcastle fan, it's fucking annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 IMO no manager should get binned during the season unless we're in very serious danger of going down (ie even worse than we're doing now) and/or he has completely lost the dressing room, or some ridiculously good alternative magically becomes available and expresses a lifelong desire to manage us for a pittance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 IMO no manager should get binned during the season unless we're in very serious danger of going down (ie even worse than we're doing now) and/or has completely lost the dressing room or some ridiculously good alternative magically becomes available and expresses a lifelong desire to manage us for a pittance. Cannot argue with that at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 IMO no manager should get binned during the season unless we're in very serious danger of going down (ie even worse than we're doing now) and/or has completely lost the dressing room or some ridiculously good alternative magically becomes available and expresses a lifelong desire to manage us for a pittance. its all moot anyway because unless something ridiculous happens he isn't going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Think the beginning of the season will shape my views on the current regime including the board, if they are not as progressive in footballing terms as in buying players with the managers. its evident we would be stuck under performing for years to comes with players coming and going. The hope is for them to make the right choices and get the right people in the team and get performances and great results. The Bottom line is clear even if Pardew was sacked and replace by another manager at the end of the season , i would doubt there would be many Moaners here. I see support for him but not complete support. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 IMO no manager should get binned during the season unless we're in very serious danger of going down (ie even worse than we're doing now) and/or he has completely lost the dressing room, or some ridiculously good alternative magically becomes available and expresses a lifelong desire to manage us for a pittance. Have you ever wanted a manager binned mid season? Honest question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 IMO no manager should get binned during the season unless we're in very serious danger of going down (ie even worse than we're doing now) and/or he has completely lost the dressing room, or some ridiculously good alternative magically becomes available and expresses a lifelong desire to manage us for a pittance. Have you ever wanted a manager binned mid season? Honest question. Until recently I still had the edition of The Chronicle that announced Souness being sacked. That's how happy I was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 IMO no manager should get binned during the season unless we're in very serious danger of going down (ie even worse than we're doing now) and/or he has completely lost the dressing room, or some ridiculously good alternative magically becomes available and expresses a lifelong desire to manage us for a pittance. Have you ever wanted a manager binned mid season? Honest question. Until recently I still had the edition of The Chronicle that announced Souness being sacked. That's how happy I was. I was soo happy when that happened as well. Bit embarrassing now but tbf it did lead to the honeymoon period under Roeder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 IMO no manager should get binned during the season unless we're in very serious danger of going down (ie even worse than we're doing now) and/or he has completely lost the dressing room, or some ridiculously good alternative magically becomes available and expresses a lifelong desire to manage us for a pittance. Have you ever wanted a manager binned mid season? Honest question. Of course, because those circumstances have occurred. Apart from the amazing replacements. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 Fat Sam, hated everything about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 IMO no manager should get binned during the season unless we're in very serious danger of going down (ie even worse than we're doing now) and/or he has completely lost the dressing room, or some ridiculously good alternative magically becomes available and expresses a lifelong desire to manage us for a pittance. I tend to agree and would stick with him until the season ends but if we lose against the mackems... Plus we are still deep in it anyway as things stand right now. Pardew has had a very good ride this year because if his surname was Souness or Allardyce or Roeder there would have been hell on for the shit we've served up and where we lie in the table. I think Ashley has done such a great job over the years of demolishing fans' aspirations and ambitions for the club to the point where just staying up is something to be thankful for and there is also this mentality of we have to keep someone like Pardew because no-one else will want the job or we will not get anyone better in. Just look at the gushing over making 1m + profit. Who cares, especially when we lie a few points off relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmymag Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 How long do we give him next season? First 10 games? 20? The full season? This season, our performances, him picking the likes of fucking Obertan is the real Alan Pardew, a lower league manager out of his depth. It's irrelevant "how long we give him" because our opinion doesn't register with the owner. He'll do exactly as he pleases with our club, and that's likely to be sticking with Pardew. This reality makes it so difficult to support the club/team at the moment because with this squad we all know we could do so much better with a decent coach. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 How long do we give him next season? First 10 games? 20? The full season? This season, our performances, him picking the likes of fucking Obertan is the real Alan Pardew, a lower league manager out of his depth. It's irrelevant "how long we give him" because our opinion doesn't register with the owner. He'll do exactly as he pleases with our club, and that's likely to be sticking with Pardew. This reality makes it so difficult to support the club/team at the moment because with this squad we all know we could do so much better with a decent coach. Accurate and so so depressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 IMO no manager should get binned during the season unless we're in very serious danger of going down (ie even worse than we're doing now) and/or he has completely lost the dressing room, or some ridiculously good alternative magically becomes available and expresses a lifelong desire to manage us for a pittance. I tend to agree and would stick with him until the season ends but if we lose against the mackems... Plus we are still deep in it anyway as things stand right now. Pardew has had a very good ride this year because if his surname was Souness or Allardyce or Roeder there would have been hell on for the s*** we've served up and where we lie in the table. I think Ashley has done such a great job over the years of demolishing fans' aspirations and ambitions for the club to the point where just staying up is something to be thankful for and there is also this mentality of we have to keep someone like Pardew because no-one else will want the job or we will not get anyone better in. Just look at the gushing over making 1m + profit. Who cares, especially when we lie a few points off relegation. I'm sure you wouldn't be so vocal if our managers surname was Hitzfeld. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 How long do we give him next season? First 10 games? 20? The full season? This season, our performances, him picking the likes of fucking Obertan is the real Alan Pardew, a lower league manager out of his depth. It's irrelevant "how long we give him" because our opinion doesn't register with the owner. He'll do exactly as he pleases with our club, and that's likely to be sticking with Pardew. This reality makes it so difficult to support the club/team at the moment because with this squad we all know we could do so much better with a decent coach. I really think they might bin him, they're not anywhere near as stupid as I thought they were and they'll want to be getting maximum return on a lot of the good work they're doing off the pitch. They're ruthless too and I'd be surprised if Pardew's contract was worth the paper it was written on, in terms of the implications of sacking him. The only thing making me think they'd veer on the side of keeping him is that they're happy they can control him and haven't had the best track record in that respect with other managers, however I think there are other managers that would work in similar circumstances as it seems to be the way football's going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted March 30, 2013 Share Posted March 30, 2013 If they have any sense they'll see that finishing 5th was a one off with this manager, and that we'll never get anywhere near that again with Pardew in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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