Mole_Toonfan Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He's looking bad because the entire team has been bloody awful this season He's overrated by far too many. Getting carried by the French team comes to mind. You are making up shit now, he's consistently one of their best players and one of the first names on the team sheet. He looks shit under Pardew's awful idea of football but he's not overrated, Xavi would look like crap under Pardew too. Players are only as good as the coach allows them to be, we have top 6 players but a championship or lower manager so we struggle surprise surprise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 I don't really know who plays where anymore, it's become a kind of mind fuck figuring out what's going on....Sometimes the right back is so far ahead of the whole midfield he might as well run all the way back with the ball.... Guti was playing BEHIND Haidara the other day (pards finally admitting the former can't cross with his left). Sissoko a former holding mf/cm is playing as a support striker...Subs come on and play in front of fullbacks..Anita played a few games where Sissoko is now (running around a lot - playing through balls) now he's out of favour..Cabaye might as well play as a sweeper...It's all wrong. Should just sit down and ask them where they want to play... We don't break as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 You said we have many Internationals Mick. Or is this people in glass houses now.... I did say we have many Internationals, how does that tie in with what you're getting at and glass houses, are you on the right forum? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He's been shown up this season as a defensive minded manager uncapable of implementing an effective gameplan, but let's not pretend he's not been let down by some of his supposed better players, most of whom have not played anywhere near the standard they should be capable of. Ultimately though, the buck stops with him of course. Agreed here. Players need to take some blame too. Cabaye is nowhere near as good as what some people make him to be. Except he is. Cabaye is very good. Even the best central midfielders in the world would look dejected playing for this team at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Looking at their former clubs Tiote is a holding mf. Sissoko and Cabaye should be ahead of him and then a three out of Hatem, Guoffran, Marv and Cisse. I would leave Guti and Santon out for the rest of the season. Both seem they've had enough this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He's been shown up this season as a defensive minded manager uncapable of implementing an effective gameplan, but let's not pretend he's not been let down by some of his supposed better players, most of whom have not played anywhere near the standard they should be capable of. Ultimately though, the buck stops with him of course. Agreed here. Players need to take some blame too. Cabaye is nowhere near as good as what some people make him to be. Except he is. Cabaye is very good. Even the best central midfielders in the world would look dejected playing for this team at the moment. This team isn't as good as many say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He's been shown up this season as a defensive minded manager uncapable of implementing an effective gameplan, but let's not pretend he's not been let down by some of his supposed better players, most of whom have not played anywhere near the standard they should be capable of. Ultimately though, the buck stops with him of course. Agreed here. Players need to take some blame too. Cabaye is nowhere near as good as what some people make him to be. Except he is. Cabaye is very good. Even the best central midfielders in the world would look dejected playing for this team at the moment. This team isn't as good as many say. True but its nowhere near as bad as the shower of shite that many believe it is now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He's been shown up this season as a defensive minded manager uncapable of implementing an effective gameplan, but let's not pretend he's not been let down by some of his supposed better players, most of whom have not played anywhere near the standard they should be capable of. Ultimately though, the buck stops with him of course. Agreed here. Players need to take some blame too. Cabaye is nowhere near as good as what some people make him to be. Except he is. Cabaye is very good. Even the best central midfielders in the world would look dejected playing for this team at the moment. This team isn't as good as many say. Don't agree this is top 6-7 team on paper in anybodies reckoning. It just has no attacking routines or interplays drilled into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He's been shown up this season as a defensive minded manager uncapable of implementing an effective gameplan, but let's not pretend he's not been let down by some of his supposed better players, most of whom have not played anywhere near the standard they should be capable of. Ultimately though, the buck stops with him of course. Agreed here. Players need to take some blame too. Cabaye is nowhere near as good as what some people make him to be. Except he is. Cabaye is very good. Even the best central midfielders in the world would look dejected playing for this team at the moment. This team isn't as good as many say. Who? Pardew? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He's been shown up this season as a defensive minded manager uncapable of implementing an effective gameplan, but let's not pretend he's not been let down by some of his supposed better players, most of whom have not played anywhere near the standard they should be capable of. Ultimately though, the buck stops with him of course. Agreed here. Players need to take some blame too. Cabaye is nowhere near as good as what some people make him to be. Except he is. Cabaye is very good. Even the best central midfielders in the world would look dejected playing for this team at the moment. This team isn't as good as many say. Don't agree this is top 6-7 team on paper in anybodies reckoning. It just has no attacking routines or interplays drilled into it. It's nowhere near. Count the amount of goals in the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He's been shown up this season as a defensive minded manager uncapable of implementing an effective gameplan, but let's not pretend he's not been let down by some of his supposed better players, most of whom have not played anywhere near the standard they should be capable of. Ultimately though, the buck stops with him of course. Agreed here. Players need to take some blame too. Cabaye is nowhere near as good as what some people make him to be. Except he is. Cabaye is very good. Even the best central midfielders in the world would look dejected playing for this team at the moment. This team isn't as good as many say. Don't agree this is top 6-7 team on paper in anybodies reckoning. It just has no attacking routines or interplays drilled into it. It's nowhere near. Count the amount of goals in the team. You could say that about Swansea or Wba and you could have said that about Liv for the first half of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 He's been shown up this season as a defensive minded manager uncapable of implementing an effective gameplan, but let's not pretend he's not been let down by some of his supposed better players, most of whom have not played anywhere near the standard they should be capable of. Ultimately though, the buck stops with him of course. Agreed here. Players need to take some blame too. Cabaye is nowhere near as good as what some people make him to be. Except he is. Cabaye is very good. Even the best central midfielders in the world would look dejected playing for this team at the moment. This team isn't as good as many say. Don't agree this is top 6-7 team on paper in anybodies reckoning. It just has no attacking routines or interplays drilled into it. It's nowhere near. Count the amount of goals in the team. So you believe if we and Swansea swapped coaches that Swansea would still be above us then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It's nowhere near. Count the amount of goals in the team. The goals are missing because we have no idea how to attack as a team and that's down to the way we are being played as a team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It really is a joke. We've got one goalscorer in the entire squad, man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It really is a joke. We've got one goalscorer in the entire squad, man. Yet people think we can finish top 7 with it. It's pathetic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Nees my man, what did you think we could have finished at the beginning of the season? Just curious. No calling out or in-fighting or stupid arguing here. Just perfectly curious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Nees my man, what did you think we could have finished at the beginning of the season? Just curious. No calling out or in-fighting or stupid arguing here. Just perfectly curious. 9th. That was with Demba Ba in the side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spudil Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It really is a joke. We've got one goalscorer in the entire squad, man. Yet people think we can finish top 7 with it. It's pathetic. Remind me, how many goalscorers have Everton in their squad? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 At least twice as many as us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It really is a joke. We've got one goalscorer in the entire squad, man. Yet people think we can finish top 7 with it. It's pathetic. Gouffran, Cabaye, and HBA all can score and have scored goals. We have plenty of goal potential in this line-up as is, it's time we got away from this mentality that goals can only and should only come from center forwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Nees my man, what did you think we could have finished at the beginning of the season? Just curious. No calling out or in-fighting or stupid arguing here. Just perfectly curious. 9th. That was with Demba Ba in the side. I was one who grossly overrated what we could do this season as I thought our end of season run and a kick-on with signings (that didn't happen) would basically have us firing again. I didn't forsee Ba losing his shit wide left, Cisse being out of form, Cabaye being depressed, Tiote forgetting how to play, and our defense turning to shit again. I'll stand up and say that I grossly overrated us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It really is a joke. We've got one goalscorer in the entire squad, man. So have Swansea yet they have been up there all year, until they went on their holidays after the cup final. If we actually had a manager that had a clue how to set up a team to attack we would have no problem scoring goals. Majority of teams in this league only have one main goalscorer anyway but they manage because they actually know how to attack as a team. I have a hard time believing that Swansea and West Brom have better players than us tbh, they just have vastly superior coaches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It really is a joke. We've got one goalscorer in the entire squad, man. Yet people think we can finish top 7 with it. It's pathetic. Gouffran He's scored 1 deflected goal. Comeback when you have some better evidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 Dyer and Routledge have been morphed into players who get chances to score in the PL and have the confidence now to look for goals. Getting chances to score is MUCH MORE important than having goalscorering specialist. Most sides bar the top 5 only have 1/2 out and out goalscorers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted April 14, 2013 Share Posted April 14, 2013 It really is a joke. We've got one goalscorer in the entire squad, man. That's hardly surprising considering how negative we are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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