Alan Pardew

[Guest neesy111]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

Got to wonder what funds he'll get in the summer.

[Wullie]

So we sack him after six games and write off another season.

 

That's preferential, in your view, to getting a positive manager in over the summer and giving him a pre season?

 

You must have fucking loved Freddy Shepherd, that sort of idiocy was his specialist subject.

[Varadi]

https://www.facebook.com/NUSWW/posts/473691882702519

 

 

Entitled to their opinions. I view the Derby as confirmation of his incompetence, rather than a one-off.

 

There's literally no dissenting voices on there, they must be deleting any negative posts surely? Reading here then looking at that it's like stepping into opposite land!

[Guest icemanblue]

So we sack him after six games and write off another season.

 

That's preferential, in your view, to getting a positive manager in over the summer and giving him a pre season?

 

You must have fucking loved Freddy Shepherd, that sort of idiocy was his specialist subject.

 

I didn't say anything about what I prefer, like. I've said before that, if we're able to secure a vastly superior manager to replace him, I wouldn't be against him being moved on in the summer. At the same time, I won't be slitting my wrists if we start next season with him still in charge. I also don't think sacking him after 6 games would equal a wasted season, nor did I love Freddy Shepherd.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

So we sack him after six games and write off another season.

 

That's preferential, in your view, to getting a positive manager in over the summer and giving him a pre season?

 

You must have fucking loved Freddy Shepherd, that sort of idiocy was his specialist subject.

 

Wouldn't the way Shepherd behaved by an argument for not sacking Pardew?

[Wullie]

How's that Ian?

[samag]

Was gonna post that too. Decent stuff.

 

me to, thought he was spot on for a change.

[Dr Venkman]

So we sack him after six games and write off another season.

 

That's preferential, in your view, to getting a positive manager in over the summer and giving him a pre season?

 

You must have fucking loved Freddy Shepherd, that sort of idiocy was his specialist subject.

 

Wouldn't the way Shepherd behaved by an argument for not sacking Pardew?

No.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

So we sack him after six games and write off another season.

 

That's preferential, in your view, to getting a positive manager in over the summer and giving him a pre season?

 

You must have fucking loved Freddy Shepherd, that sort of idiocy was his specialist subject.

 

Wouldn't the way Shepherd behaved by an argument for not sacking Pardew?

No.

 

Well thanks for that.

[Guest neesy111]

Tbf, I'd give him a chance next season if he started to show he's learning from his mistakes.  1st thing after the season ended is that all the coaching staff and fitness staff need to go.  Our fitness this season has been appalling.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

How's that Ian?

 

As in, sacking people before they've had a decent chance. Reacting too soon to downturns etc.

 

Although TBF I would have to admit that a lot of our previous errors have been bad appointments as much as sackings.

[Guest hobshobs]

From the Scottish Mags news page:

 

14th April 2013 - Newcastle United 0 Sunderland 3

Premier League - St. James' Park, Newcastle - 3.00pm

 

Alan Pardew: "They had an energy level above us. Sometimes your levels are such that you can’t match the opposition. Maybe in hindsight we should have changed it a bit more. I don’t think you need to be a professional to know that one team looked really fresh and one didn’t."

 

RW comment: "We have failed to match the energy levels of Stevenage and Brighton, never mind Sunderland. You also don't need to be a professional to know that these teams were well organised, that the players looked comfortable with the style, formation and tactics they were being asked to adopt and had been set up to play to their strengths. All done in order to get the best out of them. So, maybe it wasn't the case that one team looked really fresh and one didn’t. Maybe it was far simpler than that, maybe one side had belief in what their manager was asking them to do and one didn't."

[mrmojorisin75]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

[Guest bimpy474]

Our downturn has been all season and it's getting worse, our defending is worse now than at any time, in the league anyway.

[bealios]

I genuinely think the medium term plan for the owner/board was to allow us to invest sufficiently to be a consistent top 8 club, and then see if the FFP regulations when implemented allowed a natural rise of the bigger clubs over the small clubs (in terms or turnover), which NUFC are one. This involves having a consistent manager and avoiding the upheaval and expense of changing managers.

 

Pardew fitting that model perfectly, particularly after his 5th place finish, which followed a very near miss of 9th in the first season back bar a disastrous last game of the season. Not a top rate manager, but cheap, and seemingly good enough to work with the recruitment policy and keep us in the top half.

 

The problem with that model is that it all goes to shit along with the financial planning associated with it if you are still dicing with relegation towards the end of the season. The bulk of the planning for next season is happening now, and it is incredibly difficult to plan for the following season if you do not know what league you are playing in. It also increases the risk of losing players in the close season even if you stay up. The likes of Cabaye are probably thinking now that another season like this without the lift to the squad that a new manager can bring is that last thing they want.

 

The owner and board will simply not accept that. They may allow Pardew a blip, and he probably earned that after last season, but I cannot see a blip that risks relegation will be tolerated. The problem is that changing manager mid season rarely works out well. So they need to either decide now that he is staying until next summer and has earned another season, or he goes at the end of the season.

 

The fear is that they make the mistakes of previous seasons, and take the easy option, give him a few games at the start of the season, and then if it doesn't work out well sack him, and then be left trying to find a replacement from the limited pool of managers who can and want to move in November/December.

 

Have to admit, now that derby anger is subsiding, I'm still in two minds. Sacking Pardew now still means sacking a manager that has still achieved decent finishes for a newly promoted side. But if we are to get a better replacement, it has to be done at the end of this season. It is the right decision made by the head, and I think it will be weak leadership to take the sentimental route of giving him a bit of time next season.

 

If he does go, I think despite the views at the moment, NUFC history will judge him well, certainly when judged against recent managers I will have enjoyed his overall tenure more than any manager since Robson, which is a decent accollade.

[loki679]

How's that Ian?

 

As in, sacking people before they've had a decent chance. Reacting too soon to downturns etc.

 

Although TBF I would have to admit that a lot of our previous errors have been bad appointments as much as sackings.

 

2 years is a pretty decent 'chance' like.  He's shown nothing to make me think he'll improve.

 

Get a new man in and give him preseason to get to know the players, a full summer transfer window to bring in the right players to fit his vision and a good few months to get things right on and off the training pitch.

 

Or we could just sack him a few games into the season so all the good managers are employed and the shite we bring in has to hit the ground running with players he doesn't know and Pardew's picks from the window.

[Varadi]

Tbf, I'd give him a chance next season if he started to show he's learning from his mistakes.  1st thing after the season ended is that all the coaching staff and fitness staff need to go.  Our fitness this season has been appalling.

 

The next 5 games have to be a factor - if we show some signs of cohesion and put in some decent performances there'll be a lot more chance of him being given the chance to start next season.

 

5 more games like Sunday and (assuming we beat the drop...) he'll be under a lot more pressure IMO.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Tbf, I'd give him a chance next season if he started to show he's learning from his mistakes.  1st thing after the season ended is that all the coaching staff and fitness staff need to go.  Our fitness this season has been appalling.

 

The next 5 games have to be a factor - if we show some signs of cohesion and put in some decent performances there'll be a lot more chance of him being given the chance to start next season.

 

5 more games like Sunday and (assuming we beat the drop...) he'll be under a lot more pressure IMO.

 

5 more games like Sunday and we won't beat the drop anyway.

[Ikon]

Tbf, I'd give him a chance next season if he started to show he's learning from his mistakes.  1st thing after the season ended is that all the coaching staff and fitness staff need to go.  Our fitness this season has been appalling.

 

Learning from his mistakes? Been waiting for this for a looooong time now tbh. Overall he probably doesn't even know what he does wrong, or refuses to see how shit he is. Sack the snakey cunt asap if you ask me! Get rid and move on.

[Guest neesy111]

Tbf, I'd give him a chance next season if he started to show he's learning from his mistakes.  1st thing after the season ended is that all the coaching staff and fitness staff need to go.  Our fitness this season has been appalling.

 

The next 5 games have to be a factor - if we show some signs of cohesion and put in some decent performances there'll be a lot more chance of him being given the chance to start next season.

 

5 more games like Sunday and (assuming we beat the drop...) he'll be under a lot more pressure IMO.

 

5 more games like Sunday and we won't beat the drop anyway.

 

[Guest bimpy474]

The right and wrongs of all this are well put by all of the lovely people on here.

 

The cold facts are; We play appalling football, are clueless at set pieces, have no forward movement and pattern at all, are set up defensively when we are terrible at defending. And it's been like that for the whole season.

 

If you think Pardew willl turn all that around then fine, but you are flying in the face of all evidence. That evidence being his past jobs, his time here and all sensible logic.

[Wullie]

Shepherd's problem was never ever with firing people, it was the fucking dolts he kept hiring that was the problem. Souness for example had the plug pulled far far too late.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Shepherd's problem was never ever with firing people, it was the fucking dolts he kept hiring that was the problem. Souness for example had the plug pulled far far too late.

 

Yeah, there's some truth in that as I said. Except Bobby it's been so long since we had a competent manager that it's pretty hard to draw any conclusions.

[Guest icemanblue]

You don't though, do you? No one does. I don't remember seeing a single person saying we'd struggle quite so badly this season, before a ball had been kicked. There were concerns over the lack of strengthening, but I don't remember worries over a possible relegation battle. That's despite the protestations of a few that they 'knew this would happen', based on the quality of football that secured us 5th place.

 

What's been a massive factor this season is the lack of momentum. We had that from the unbeaten start to last year. The confidence generated from that run gave us a platform to carry through the season, which was further improved with the addition of better footballers (Hatem, Cisse). Start well next season, and we may see a vast improvement over this one, though, admittedly, I highly doubt we'd reach the levels of last year.

 

i didn't say we'd struggle badly again next season did i, though ok i could see how you might think that's what i meant....we may well struggle badly, we may have another push for europe, but either will be built on shite football and direct tactics with this joker running things

 

of that i am sure

 

You said you knew how the season would pan out, like. You don't. You'll think you have a pretty good idea at the minute, but that's entirely based on the negativity generated this season. However, I'm not one who subscribes to this belief that we played terrible football for all of last season. So, our opinions are bound to differ.

 

What I believe is certain, for next season, based on the stories emerging after the derby (like the one above) is that a bad start in the league will result in his departure. Rightly so, by the way. There's been too high an investment for them to risk our league status, or any lower returns they expect from disgruntled player transfers.

 

no it's not, it's based on the games i watched last season as well when among others said that the tactics he was employing were unsustainable, the tactics he's employed all season that have brought us to this point when for months it's been obvious they were never going to work

 

so in terms of how next season will pan out my prediction is either cisse or hba wonder-goal us up the table or they don't and we flounder or struggle, but yeah i'm hardly able to predict the future

 

That's an incredibly simple, and quite short sighted prediction. I can't accept that the sole reason for our successful year was 'wonder goals' from our better individuals. In fact, the very nature of the 'negative' argument implies that we'd be defensive. As we've seen this season, defensive tactics don't work without a well drilled team and an organised defence. I'd say that foundation, along with our creative players, was the reason for our success.

 

If he can replicate that, with further strengthening, we'll do alright.

[Lush Vlad]

Still not sure how people are expecting him to learn from his mistakes?  He's been here 2 and a half seasons!  He's following his career trend of starting well, fading, then it all going to shit.

 

I was more than willing to give him the benefit of the doubt this season.  Despite concerns about formations and playing styles.  But from about November/December onwards, it's been painfully obvious he doesn't have a clue and doesn't plan on changing anything.  The set pieces, distance between the midfield and forward(s) and aimless long balls up field just reitirate the fact.  He is incapable of changing things for the good, or too stubborn to do so.

 

The football is only marginally better, because of the new players and those returning from injury.  The rest of the season on the whole has been pretty painful.  Constantly out played by lesser teams, with more organised squads and tactics.  Home losses to some utter dross and against sides with poor away records.  A pathetic and worrying away record, that I can't see improving and probably a whole lot more I've forgot to mention.

 

The derby was the final straw for me and many others.  Yes the players have to take some of the blame.  But this is arguably the most talented side I've seen properly in my lifetime and it's being totally wasted.